Front Suspension Mods or Just Nonscense (Race Application)

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ProctorSilex wrote:I got into motor sports via autocrossing my Scion xA econobox, which does not do well in an autocross (yet does not do too horribly on a road course). I was a terrible autocrosser and probably still am. I rode with instructors (including national champions): ...
There was a good article about this in the SCCA magazine last year. The transition for autocrosser to road racer is typically easier than vice versa, but not to say one was more dominant than the other in either sport. I plan to do an amateur autocross school day in a few weeks which my chapter has for $50. They have these once a year and I did it a couple of years ago. You run the course, get some times, then just work on exercises of technique most of the day (throttle steering, slalom, etc.). Then you run again at the end of the day and the times usually drop. This is on a Saturday, the regular autocross is the next day on Sunday.

Not sure if they have this in your area Dale, but they're worth the money. I saw people there that have been running for years still working on technique. They also sometimes have a national champion come in a do a full weekend which is like $500 and the usual top-10 people signed up quickly for it when they had it last summer.
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Been there done that.... Have "worked" the schools so I got to see lots of driver and how they do or don't do (but not from instructors seat) and have been a "student" in two of them....

Got one coming up in a few months, may take it a third time...

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Frank ask about your seat belt, seat, etc.etc. Remember Richard Petty said the steering wheel is not for holding on. I pull my belts so tight its pitiful. it allows my arms to relax and just "guide" the car through the turns. I usually have a V-8 or 2 on the course when I have run. If I let them pass close to a turn I can stay right on them through the turns and watch how they run it. and of course when we hit the straight they run off and leave me but I get to see how they do the turn. that seems to help me a lot. I also find you-tube vids of the track I am going to and watch it over and over. When I get to the track its not to bad. You pick up the line a lot quiker.
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I have a theory about autocross driving skills... It has to do with practice time.

Our Club has a lot of people with years of experience racing. They are better autocross drivers than me because they have many hours behind the wheel of a race car and much more autocross experience. So I'm new with no formal racing experience and I'm always in last place. I go to every race for two years and I get better but everyone in my class also gets better. The frustration is there is no way to practice for hours and hours and days and days to catch up in driving skills of the veteran drivers.

If you Autocross a complete season in our area you are lucky to get in 3 hrs total driving time. At this rate you will never catch up in skills. It's frustrating. I think some places in the country may have a place to practice autocross like we do at a track day event but not in our area.

So I started taking driving lessons and doing track days at the local road track. In one track day I can get in 6 hours of practice. In one training session I can spend 20-30 minutes with an instructor in the car helping me work on my lines. Doing track days and schools at the road race track I feel like there is a chance for me to build skills and catch up with the other drivers.

I think seat time is important and you just can't get it in our club. Autocross is fun but I don't get enough seat time to get better than my competitors. I refuse to practice autocross on the street. I like racing AX but knowing you have no chance to place takes away some of the joy.

I have moved more towards making my car a track car and less of an autocross car. I attend less autocross events because I know I don't have a chance to be a competitive driver without the practice time.

Dale M. wrote:Been there done that.... Have "worked" the schools so I got to see lots of driver and how they do or don't do (but not from instructors seat) and have been a "student" in two of them....

Got one coming up in a few months, may take it a third time...

Dale
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Well went Auto-X this week end.... Though a lot about what's been said over last few months, tried to apply some things and sure enough I managed to increase gap between me and leader from about 5 seconds to 6.5 seconds...

Think we need to open up a thread on "divers" psychobabble ....

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:lol: Glad to hear that thorough our help that there has been a change in your auto-X skills. It would have bothered me if there hadn’t been a change… even backwards. Actually, that shouldn't be that unusual as you get so much in your head that you are trying to remember it distracts you from what you are trying to do. Sooner or later it all is going to become second nature and then the real progress will begin. :wink: :roll:

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Had one of those break through Autox moments our last race. Before I'd do track walks and know most of the course. Notice the most part. So the first run or two would be a remember the full course run. This last time before the first run I was really able to see the whole course and drive it before hand. Went out and layed down a good time first run. This let me move on to adjusting lines. Its taken 4 years to hit that AHA moment. Sometimes seat time is the only thing that can fix it.
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