Synthetic Brake Fluid

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Exactly! It's all "synthesized" through one process or another, the term is being abused for its value as a marketing buzzword, the presumption being that "synthetic" is somehow inherently superior to whatever the alternative might be..."organic", perhaps?
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Marc wrote:Image

Exactly! It's all "synthesized" through one process or another, the term is being abused for its value as a marketing buzzword, the presumption being that "synthetic" is somehow inherently superior to whatever the alternative might be..."organic", perhaps?
Off topic only a bit ...

At one time the worst kept secret in the oil business was that it cost *less* to produce 'synthetic' oil than to refine dino oil. They just laughed all the way to the bank.
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RHough wrote:
Marc wrote:Image

Exactly! It's all "synthesized" through one process or another, the term is being abused for its value as a marketing buzzword, the presumption being that "synthetic" is somehow inherently superior to whatever the alternative might be..."organic", perhaps?
Off topic only a bit ...

At one time the worst kept secret in the oil business was that it cost *less* to produce 'synthetic' oil than to refine dino oil. They just laughed all the way to the bank.


And the most funny part is that Synthetic oil IS dino oil. The base stocks are all the same. It come out of the ground. Dino oil requires different mineral additives and different processing to link the lubricating additives to the oil molecule.
The actual lubricating molecules that are added to the oil base that do the heavy lifting ( anti-scuff, high temp properties, extreme pressure when necessary, anti-oxidization etc..) are whats synthetic....not the base oil.

I had a very laughable conversation last year with an ultra tree-hugger whose information was based nowhere in the universe of reality.....she stated.....
"we can get rid of all petroleum oil usage by going to electric cars fueled by wind power and solar, or cars fueled by alcohol and bio fuels"....I asked her where she though the lubricating oils for said cars and industry in general were going to come from. She stated....as if it were common knowledge....."from synthetic oil which has been around for decades".... :roll: ..... :lol:
...It was so fun popping her bubble and watching her brain run out. Especially when I informed her that the only mineral that allows electric cars, hybrid cars...and wind turbines to exist....is the profligate use of neodymium (rare earth magnets in the motors).
Neodymium is a by-product of aluminum/bauxite mining and is very dirty. There is not one operating neodymium mine in the United states and has not been for about 25 years.

It also cannot be recycled after being cut, ground machined or shaped due to the contamination from the tooling. Ray
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I've also been reading that the wind generating farms might be creating other problems worse than the they are (trying) solving. :roll: Not all greenies are happy about that from what I understand.

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Ol'fogasaurus wrote:I've also been reading that the wind generating farms might be creating other problems worse than the they are (trying) solving. :roll: Not all greenies are happy about that from what I understand.

Lee
Yes.....wind power has issues. Dont get me wrong. The apperatus of wind power....is awesome. The power generation capability of the average large wind turbine is fantatsic.....serious voltage. But.....its not consistent enough to create baseload power for industry. So....you still need coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear for baseload.
The serious problem that windpower and its high generating capacity cause....is that by law ( a crappy and unfair law to generating facilities)...the large baseload utilities must accept and buy that power....whether they need it or not. This causes large generating facilities to turn generator systems off and on to keep the load balanced.
Large coil and gas facilities plan up and down times weeks and months in advance. It costs a huge amount of energy in shut down and re-start everytime they have to do this...which is now constantly. There is no fine throttle on large generating facilities.
This practice also causes a huge amount of air pollution. Just recently some states are getting regulatory limits placed on windpower to force it to synchronize with the power grid it is feeding.
Windpower is also killing a zillion birds a year.

Windpower and solar are both fantatsic technology....but both are being hideously misused.
Solar....as cheap printed battery storage systems and real light producing LED lighting is coming on board.......and as a matter of record....the per kilowatt cost reached grid parity with coal and natural gas in june of 2009....has the potential to feed half the houses....not factories or industrial plants....in the US and cut their power costs by at least 50% without forcing power utilities to buy their power......all for the cost of an average re-roof of a house (yes I worked in the solar industry and keep track of it).
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... A-Q2LN0zb0 this is what I was referring to but it is only one study so for what it is worth.
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Flooring it even further off topic, Google vanadium oxide batteries.
Wind and solars (and the electric companies) likely future best friend.
(has been in Europe for pushing 30 years, with ~zero cell efficiency loss)
I wish it could be scaled down... they scale UP beautifully.
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