Karman Sutra
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
My old '56 Oval is for sale -- Ovalholio -- Looks like the disc brakes let him down
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/4964111242.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/4964111242.html
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
In the never ending saga of the weirdest chit happens to me -- -- -- -- I bring you the ordering of the Metri-pack Crimpers
So, I had bought a chit load of Weather-pack connectors thinking that they were the best, I run into Scott Featheroff at Drag Day and he proceeds to tell me the only way to go is Metri-pack and points me at all the problems the Scorpion were having with their ignition cutting out during tire shake. So I talk to Chad and I'm converted.... SO, I buy a big box of Metri-pack connectors, stupidly thinking that the big buck weather-pack crimper I've got will work .. .. .. oooops, Stupid me -- -- So now I'm needing a Metri-pack crimper -- -- OK, I go on Flea-bay last Monday and buy a moderately priced one and click the 2 day shipping box -- cool, I'm ready to go -- -- I get the shipping confirmation, and with nothing else to do while waiting for these crimpers, I start following their journey to me -- Tuesday they're shipped from Texas, OK -- -- Wednesday they are in Oklahoma, ??? --- Thursday they are Kansas, WTF -- Friday they are Colorado, This is getting plain stupid -- Saturday they are in Vernon, CA,,, Cool at least its the right state -- Sunday,,, Nothings happens on Sunday -- -- MONDAY 7 DAYS LATER, at 4pm I receive them,,, That's right, I get 2 pairs of crimpers. I only paid for one -- -- And the kicker, the return address is from Orange CA
So, in my best Ricky Ricardo voice "Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do !!!"
So, I had bought a chit load of Weather-pack connectors thinking that they were the best, I run into Scott Featheroff at Drag Day and he proceeds to tell me the only way to go is Metri-pack and points me at all the problems the Scorpion were having with their ignition cutting out during tire shake. So I talk to Chad and I'm converted.... SO, I buy a big box of Metri-pack connectors, stupidly thinking that the big buck weather-pack crimper I've got will work .. .. .. oooops, Stupid me -- -- So now I'm needing a Metri-pack crimper -- -- OK, I go on Flea-bay last Monday and buy a moderately priced one and click the 2 day shipping box -- cool, I'm ready to go -- -- I get the shipping confirmation, and with nothing else to do while waiting for these crimpers, I start following their journey to me -- Tuesday they're shipped from Texas, OK -- -- Wednesday they are in Oklahoma, ??? --- Thursday they are Kansas, WTF -- Friday they are Colorado, This is getting plain stupid -- Saturday they are in Vernon, CA,,, Cool at least its the right state -- Sunday,,, Nothings happens on Sunday -- -- MONDAY 7 DAYS LATER, at 4pm I receive them,,, That's right, I get 2 pairs of crimpers. I only paid for one -- -- And the kicker, the return address is from Orange CA
So, in my best Ricky Ricardo voice "Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do !!!"
- Chip Birks
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Re: Karman Sutra
I hate weatherpack! Used to use them, found Delphi GT 150 series and never looked back. Never tried Metripack though.
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
I think the 150 series and Metri-pack are the same Chip -- and I've seen some reference to 150.2 out there too
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Re: Karman Sutra
Looks like both have a 150 series. They are definitely different though. Maybe they use the same pins, I didn't dig that deep on mouser.com just now.
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Steve Arndt
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Re: Karman Sutra
Are they pull to seat, instead of push to seat like regular weatherpack?
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- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
I just did some pull to seat that were associated with the plugs on the coils, but I believe they are push to seat, BUT they have more/better pins to keep them in place vs. the weather-pack
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Finally found a little time today to finish wiring up the cam and crank sensors -- -- The AEM cables to both has some strange stuff going on that I was waiting to hear from AEM before I finished wiring them in --- through out the harness they have used black as ground, red as power and white or green as the signal wires -- WELL,,,, suddenly in these cables, the ground was the white wire and black and green were signal and at least red stayed power -- .. .. .. -- It didn't make any sense to me either, that is why I checked with the factory and asked why they went stupid -- -- Put a good work out with my new Metri-pack crimper and it worked neat -- requires two crimps to do each connector unlike the weather-pack, but it was still nice
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss30 ... ohznxs.jpg
I'm switching over to Mario's crank wheel and also going to a Honeywell GT101 hall effect sensor -- Mario's wheel comes with a VR sensor and it required a bunch of playing to get the 101 a place to fit as it is 3/8" longer, So I made a bracket and had to move it up a few degrees from where Mario has his placed... Big difference between the Electromotive (60-2) and Mario's (30-1) ...... here's a picture of the back of both crank pulleys
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss30 ... hbeigs.jpg
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss30 ... ohznxs.jpg
I'm switching over to Mario's crank wheel and also going to a Honeywell GT101 hall effect sensor -- Mario's wheel comes with a VR sensor and it required a bunch of playing to get the 101 a place to fit as it is 3/8" longer, So I made a bracket and had to move it up a few degrees from where Mario has his placed... Big difference between the Electromotive (60-2) and Mario's (30-1) ...... here's a picture of the back of both crank pulleys
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss30 ... hbeigs.jpg
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
The Metric-pack plugs are push to seat, but their lock on the back is a more positive in keeping the connectors in place -- I'll do some pictures it you want......
- Chip Birks
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Re: Karman Sutra
Why change from the electromotive trigger wheel?
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Steve Arndt
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Re: Karman Sutra
Same question, why change? Just for a pulley "style" look change? Thousands of people have ran the Scat pulley and 60-2 that EM sells.Chip Birks wrote:Why change from the electromotive trigger wheel?
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- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
The smaller the wheel on your pickup the lower the rpms you can run, and the signal from the 3.5" wheel on the electromotive would start to degrade at 6.5-7K rpm -- (Mario's wheel is 6" and should be good to about 8500-9000) --
AND mainly,,,,, Scott Featherolf has gotten tired of my whining and has taken me under his wing to sort my chit out and WHEN he says change to this and I'm gonna do it,,, LOL -- his input is the reason I'm going to Mario's wheel and switching to the Hall effect sensor vs the Mag/VR ----- I'm so tired of fighting this dam thing LOL
AND mainly,,,,, Scott Featherolf has gotten tired of my whining and has taken me under his wing to sort my chit out and WHEN he says change to this and I'm gonna do it,,, LOL -- his input is the reason I'm going to Mario's wheel and switching to the Hall effect sensor vs the Mag/VR ----- I'm so tired of fighting this dam thing LOL
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Steve Arndt
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Re: Karman Sutra
Scott is one of the best tuners in the world so do what he says.
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- Chip Birks
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Re: Karman Sutra
He tried talking me into the gt101 sensor as well. I couldn't see one fitting behind my pulley though. Take some good photos once you get it finished! You should get Scott back on here!