412 and411 rear wings 2 door are they the sams

tuna boat · Post by **tuna boat** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:02 pm

can i use 411 winga on my 412

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:12 pm

Sedan? No the 412's taillights are higher.

DeathBus · Post by **DeathBus** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:49 pm

No but I bet one from a Cessna would work.

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:55 pm

The early 412 rear fenders from 2 doors will fit 411 rear fenders on 2 doors. They had both tail lights. The 2 door fenders were 2 door only.
The four door 411 and 412 fenders generally swap...up to late 73. After that, The 412's had the skinny taillights. I'm pretty sure the last year won't fit the earlier ones. The wagons...411 and 412 up to...i believe august of 73 will fit together. After that...they have the skinny tail lights. Ray

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:51 pm

I thought that when the 412's came out, the taillights on the 2dr. and 4dr. sedans were moved up higher in their positioning (regardless of which actual light is used) than the 411's, where they were right down next to the bumper?

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:38 pm

yep...thats what I was getting at as well. Two door fenders are two door fenders. Four doors are 4 doors...and wagons are wagons. They do not inter-mix within the cars. But generally the 411 and 412 fenders can intermix up to about 8-73. Then they get the skinny lights. Ray

Jan Peter de geus · Post by **Jan Peter de geus** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:25 am

As of August 72, when production of the 412 started, on the sedan models (both 2 and 4 doors) the rear lights moved up higher compared to the 411. Also the bumper moved a little bit upwards. On the Variant (wagon), the taillights had to become narrower in addition because the space between the higher bumper and the underside of the bootlid became narrower. The skinny (variant) taillaights have never been mounted on sedans here in Europe. Jan Peter.

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:10 am

I'm not 100% positive, but I don't think they have ever been mounted on a sedan here either. The rear height issue seems to change a little as well. I have used 411 fenders on 412's with no problems. But that is here. Iwill have to dig out some pictures...as the upward movement of the bumper on the sedans, may have corresponded to the 412 bumper change here. Ray

tuna boat · Post by **tuna boat** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:04 pm

going to take 412 wing with me tommorow to see will report back

tuna boat · Post by **tuna boat** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:05 pm

by the way i am in uk i am sean glendening had to chane name new isp

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:38 pm

they are not the same lower lights on 411 as said/ using a 4 door rear on 2 door cutting it down as 2 door412s are rare in uk

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:28 pm

Actually, it's the other way around, you would need to extend a 4-door fender as it's shorter than a 2 door fender. It sounds quite feasible off the top of my head, but I would have to see them side by side...

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:20 am

You may be comparing apples to oranges, by trying to compare 411 rear light heights to 412 rear light heights...especially if one is a 2 door and one is a 4 door. Among one body style...say 4 doors, I believe from memory, that 411's and early 412's used the same rear light heights. I'm pretty sure that 411/412 (early) 2 doors used the same rear fenders as well. This does not mean that they are at the same height as a 4 door. Ray