412 Jacking Points

[MGVWfan]

Howdy! I've looked through the posts, and haven't found an answer to this one. What are the places on the 412 for jacking and hoisting, other than the two Bilstein jack sockets under the sides? Those four cup-shaped steel thingies under the four corners look like good places to jack up a corner with a floor jack, or to hold up with a jackstand. Also, if I wanted to jack up the entire front end at once, will the front suspension crossmember (the "T" thing) support the load? I don't see any way to jack up the entire rear at once.

FJM

[vwbill]

Hey, I use the original jack square tube mounts that are about a foot from the rear wheels to lift the rear side; be careful though since you can jack to the point of having the whole side lifted and lift over one of your chocks and could have a dangerous situation with pivoting from that point.
I also use the circular rounded top cones with cutout that are all the way to the back corner of the car body and the front just behind the wheel wells. I usually put my jack stand there or where the rear control arms meet the frame; I use that if I'm jacking the rear only and jack from each side but I have moved the car around by jacking from the center of the motor where the oil drain cover is. I use the control arm points on the front for jack stands also. It would be good to get a Cylmers or this really cool glove box users manual for the type 4 that a guy has on ebay sometimes that has a green cover and it has alot of great info for a small box!! It even has a wiring diag. maybe color? Good luck and be careful!!
Always have the cellphone near and cover your butt! You're not superman! I have had a few neighbors that pasted away by getting crushed! I Hate being under the car unless I have many points of confidence! I always take the weight off the jack and on to the stand or stands and then just put pressure on the car with the jack again.
Bill

[raygreenwood]

DO NOT use the front control arm points for jack stand locations. It WILL bend the sub frame....been there...destroyed one! Use the square longitudnal (front to back) tube sections under the driver and passenger floor boards. Thats what they are for. Use soemthing to spread out the load. I also use the round points for the cup on my floor jack. I put jack stands under the rear out near the ends of the beam. There are flat areas just for this . Ray

[Guest]

Here is one of those glove box books but for a 914 1.7L.. bill

[Guest]

link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... egory=6762

[ubercrap]

I just bought the type 4 one that was just on ebay. Hey, for $7.00, I can't go wrong. Plus, it has a pic of a 412 2dr. on the cover, now how could I resist that?

[Guest]

Anyone besides me have a problem with the jack eating into the side of the car (OE jack mounted into the designed lifting points). Every crapping time I lift my car I have to battle the jack.

[67 T1]

the above post is mine, log-in monster.

[raygreenwood]

The original jack...which on 412's should be the bilstein crank type like the bus had...and the bug style on early 411's.....nedds to be aimed with the pad under the car at an angle....the top of the jack pole outward away from the car at the top. It is designed to be used this way. Itwill straighten nearly vertical when load is applied. DO NOT insert the jack in the vertical position. It will....as you noted....Jam into the body. Does this make sense? Ray

[Guest]

thanks. It makes perfect sense. I was just wary of not having the arm locked fully upright, or outward, 90 degree angle.

Just realized I'm not logged on. 67 T1

[raygreenwood]

Its one of those original equipment manufacturer logic things we run into so often on VW. When you jack the car up...especially all the way...to getat the front wheel....the weight causes the car to sideslip a bit against the sidewalls on the opposite side. So ...the car actually move sideways a hair....straightening the jack up. So it has to start crooked to be straight. If it starts straight, it will be crooked anyway...but more to the opposite side of the car from where you are jacking....causing the jack pole to munch metal. Ray

[67 T1]

Been there, done that, on the munched metal. Actually, it just scraped the paint, but it was starting to push the metal inwards, so I stopped. Your post 'straightens' this problem out. thanks. I forgot to mention, it is OE jack with the twist handle. Very good improvement over what they passed off for a jack in my 67' sedan.

[MGVWfan]

You guys answered the question. Using the cup things for a floor jack, and the longerons (for lack of a better term) works. I was a little skittish about using the front suspension bits to jack it up.

BTW, the OEM MGB jack has the same little funny, you've got to tilt it outward at the top to start out just like the OEM 412 jack.

When I got the 412, it had a nice shiny OEM jack, but I can't remember where I put the @#$%$#$# thing! I put it in a REAL safe place, eh?

[raygreenwood]

Look under the back seat? Thats where the hold down clamp for mine is. I looked for mine for a year...before I looked under the back seat... . Thank God I didn't accuse anyone of stealing it! Ray

[MGVWfan]

Well...I looked, and it's not there I know I had it out and was using it a month ago, but I can't remember if I stashed it in the attic during a mad flail of a cleanup a few weeks back (induced by the Base Commander), or what.