Someone asked me for pictures of the back (actually the front) of my engine where the torque converter and engine meet. Thought it was Ecdez, but it wasn't. Perhaps Uber?
Anyway, Ecdez, could you attach the pics to this thread, then whoever it was can see them. thanks.
Was it Uber ?
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67 T1
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More Great Pics!
Wow! Great New Pics!! Thanks! You are gonna help alot of auto folks!
So is the flywheel attached to the torque converter? It looks like the engine side has a plate where the manual flywheel mounts which attaches to the converter. Did you have to turn the converter to seat it like in some american cars? I remember on a old ford van you couldnt get it to seat till you did or the tranny engine wouldnt meet. Its funny how you can see the flywheel in the cutouts on the bell housing! I wonder why they have so many cutouts? Did you need to fill the converter with fluid? The auto looks like alot of work but I loved my auto in my T3 fastback! I think the auto was quick off the line and the kick down was great for passing! Thanks again for taking pics for us all! Bill
p.s. So are the front cutouts are so you can bolt the converter to the plate or just the bottom one? So is the flywheel exposed so you can move it for installation?
So is the flywheel attached to the torque converter? It looks like the engine side has a plate where the manual flywheel mounts which attaches to the converter. Did you have to turn the converter to seat it like in some american cars? I remember on a old ford van you couldnt get it to seat till you did or the tranny engine wouldnt meet. Its funny how you can see the flywheel in the cutouts on the bell housing! I wonder why they have so many cutouts? Did you need to fill the converter with fluid? The auto looks like alot of work but I loved my auto in my T3 fastback! I think the auto was quick off the line and the kick down was great for passing! Thanks again for taking pics for us all! Bill
p.s. So are the front cutouts are so you can bolt the converter to the plate or just the bottom one? So is the flywheel exposed so you can move it for installation?
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Thanks for posting the pics Ecdez.
VWBill
Yes, the flywheel attaches to torque converter.
Yes and no on turning the flywheel. I wasn't thinking clearly (from the glue) when I installed the engine. Didn't even think about lining up the flywheel and torque converter (TC). So after I had everything 'in place', and following the Clymers 'install the engine' instructions, I attempted to insert the bolts to attach the flywheel to the TC. But I got nothing and stood there scratching my head. Re-read the instructions, again, scratched my head. Then I looked at the pics (same ones posted) and realized that the bolt holes were not aligned.
I already had the engine bolted to the trans, and had attached the support bar. I feared I would have to drop the engine again, I cursed, went in and had a beer.
I then went back out, stuck a phillips head screwdriver thru the bolt hole (from the engine compartment) to hold the flywheel stationary, climbed under the car and was able to turn the TC via the openings in the tranny case. Got the holes of the TC and flywheel to align, went back to top side and inserted bolts and torqued to 22 ft pds.
I think the cutouts serve three purposes, cooling I think would be the primary, and secondly you access the 'engine to tranny' bottom bolts via the cutouts, thirdly so do-it-yourselfer's can turn the TC after they installed the engine and didn't line up with the flywheel.
This small project took me two full days to complete (not counting the previous efforts of DB and myself).
VWBill
Yes, the flywheel attaches to torque converter.
Yes and no on turning the flywheel. I wasn't thinking clearly (from the glue) when I installed the engine. Didn't even think about lining up the flywheel and torque converter (TC). So after I had everything 'in place', and following the Clymers 'install the engine' instructions, I attempted to insert the bolts to attach the flywheel to the TC. But I got nothing and stood there scratching my head. Re-read the instructions, again, scratched my head. Then I looked at the pics (same ones posted) and realized that the bolt holes were not aligned.
I already had the engine bolted to the trans, and had attached the support bar. I feared I would have to drop the engine again, I cursed, went in and had a beer.
I then went back out, stuck a phillips head screwdriver thru the bolt hole (from the engine compartment) to hold the flywheel stationary, climbed under the car and was able to turn the TC via the openings in the tranny case. Got the holes of the TC and flywheel to align, went back to top side and inserted bolts and torqued to 22 ft pds.
I think the cutouts serve three purposes, cooling I think would be the primary, and secondly you access the 'engine to tranny' bottom bolts via the cutouts, thirdly so do-it-yourselfer's can turn the TC after they installed the engine and didn't line up with the flywheel.
This small project took me two full days to complete (not counting the previous efforts of DB and myself).
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Thanks!
Man, sounds just like me; I always get stuck like that! I like your comment about the bottom cutout for us guys who already got the motor in, lol!!! I can see the cooling idea for sure since that thing must get hot!!
Hey, I would love to see the book on time for all the jobs on a 411/412!
I would have too add at least four times to 1000 for me!! LoL ! Thanks for explaining your process! I know alot of people will be using it sometime! Bill
Hey, I would love to see the book on time for all the jobs on a 411/412!
I would have too add at least four times to 1000 for me!! LoL ! Thanks for explaining your process! I know alot of people will be using it sometime! Bill
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67 T1
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Your time squencing is like mine. I figure a task may take 1 hour to accomplish, so I plan on spending at least half a day doing it. And that holds true with any car/household task. I prepped my spare bathroom for refurbishment about a year ago, still haven't gotten back to that one.
But one thing I'll say is that I believe in treating the problem, and not the symtoms. So I'll chase a rabbit to the ground, although it may be way off base of what I started out doing.
With our vintage vehicles, we CANNOT live by the montra "I may work slow, but I do poor work."
But one thing I'll say is that I believe in treating the problem, and not the symtoms. So I'll chase a rabbit to the ground, although it may be way off base of what I started out doing.
With our vintage vehicles, we CANNOT live by the montra "I may work slow, but I do poor work."
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GREAT JOB 67T1!!!!! The way you did it is axactly how you do it, except you try to get the Flexplate (flywheel) lined up as close as possible and then when you get the engine in fine tune it.
Yep the true term for what you guys are calling the flywheel is flexplate. Since in Autotrannies the tourque converter is what really takes the place of the flywheel, clutch and pressure plate.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop taking amphetamines.
Yep the true term for what you guys are calling the flywheel is flexplate. Since in Autotrannies the tourque converter is what really takes the place of the flywheel, clutch and pressure plate.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop taking amphetamines.
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That is so true! If you dont with the 411/412 it laughs at you later on!
You will do it and end up doing it right or better! LOL!! It's always that way! If I could just listen to "Ray" and not screw it up my way,lol!!
I have to have the hammer hit me on the thumb or knuckles at least twice before it get through to my motorhead,lol! I guess I'd make a bad german engineer ,lol. Me want to fix it now, arrgggg(caveman grunt)! The projects are like run away trains sometimes running outta control then its rusted to the track! LOl:) I always thought the flywheel was attached to the engine not the front of the converter! It has to have something for the starter ring gear and clutch plates I guess? My T3 auto only problem was a little band adj. and that body rubber boot to the oil filler neck! I never pulled a VW auto Tranny only a ford van and a dodger van. Dont Auto Trannys hold the most patents!
Thanks for the pics again! At least you dont need to modify the tranny like on a manual or the shaft bearing I think maybe goes per "Ray"!
You will do it and end up doing it right or better! LOL!! It's always that way! If I could just listen to "Ray" and not screw it up my way,lol!!
I have to have the hammer hit me on the thumb or knuckles at least twice before it get through to my motorhead,lol! I guess I'd make a bad german engineer ,lol.
Me want to fix it now, arrgggg(caveman grunt)! The projects are like run away trains sometimes running outta control then its rusted to the track! LOl:) I always thought the flywheel was attached to the engine not the front of the converter! It has to have something for the starter ring gear and clutch plates I guess? My T3 auto only problem was a little band adj. and that body rubber boot to the oil filler neck! I never pulled a VW auto Tranny only a ford van and a dodger van. Dont Auto Trannys hold the most patents!Thanks for the pics again! At least you dont need to modify the tranny like on a manual or the shaft bearing I think maybe goes per "Ray"!
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That is so true! If you dont with the 411/412 it laughs at you later on!
You will do it and end up doing it right or better! LOL!! It's always that way! If I could just listen to "Ray" and not screw it up my way,lol!!
I have to have the hammer hit me on the thumb or knuckles at least twice before it get through to my motorhead,lol! I guess I'd make a bad german engineer ,lol. Me want to fix it now, arrgggg(caveman grunt)! The projects are like run away trains sometimes running outta control then its rusted to the track! LOl:) I always thought the flywheel was attached to the engine not the front of the converter! Lol.. It has to have something for the starter ring gear and clutch plates I guess? My T3 auto only problem was a little band adj. and that body rubber boot to the oil filler neck! I never pulled a VW auto Tranny only a ford van and a dodger van. Dont Auto Trannys hold the most patents!
Thanks for the pics again! At least you dont need to modify the tranny like on a manual or the shaft bearing I think maybe goes per "Ray"!
Need to set up my camera in time lapse and on my forehead.. Then I could see how it really came apart,lol! Bill......
You will do it and end up doing it right or better! LOL!! It's always that way! If I could just listen to "Ray" and not screw it up my way,lol!!
I have to have the hammer hit me on the thumb or knuckles at least twice before it get through to my motorhead,lol! I guess I'd make a bad german engineer ,lol.
Me want to fix it now, arrgggg(caveman grunt)! The projects are like run away trains sometimes running outta control then its rusted to the track! LOl:) I always thought the flywheel was attached to the engine not the front of the converter! Lol.. It has to have something for the starter ring gear and clutch plates I guess? My T3 auto only problem was a little band adj. and that body rubber boot to the oil filler neck! I never pulled a VW auto Tranny only a ford van and a dodger van. Dont Auto Trannys hold the most patents!Thanks for the pics again! At least you dont need to modify the tranny like on a manual or the shaft bearing I think maybe goes per "Ray"!
Need to set up my camera in time lapse and on my forehead.. Then I could see how it really came apart,lol! Bill......