Hi there,
This is my first post, I got told this is the place to be for questions like these.
I currently have a 1967 VW beetle 1500 with a singleport 1300F engine.
I read a little piece about someone putting a wbx engine into his Type 3 and I know it has been put into beetles as well. I read that it's a cheaper alternative over a big Type 1 or Type 4 engine and quite similar to a Type 1. I also read that it is not a very hard thing to work with.
Now, my question is as a newbie would I be able to put a wasserboxer engine into my beetle without any real time restraints.
I read they are, at least in Holland, not very hard to come by on junkyards.
What is your opinion about the things I just said. And can you give me an indication of $$$ etc.
Perhaps a link to a website where it has been done?
Cheers!
Diederick
Wasserboxer in my beetle
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Beherenow.tk
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i can only help you so much as i have not done this but am looking into it.
i can atleast tell you that it is not less expensive than a type one because of the machine work that needs to be done but it is less expensive than a type four.
if you pm me i can get a phone number to call for more info.
right now i have a 2.1 that is getting shipped to me, i am going to keep the crank and and have the case machined for me. the machine work on the case including shuffle pins and a few other things totals at about 900 dollars,
i figure for 900 bucks more for type 1 performance and a much better case i can't really go wrong.
i can atleast tell you that it is not less expensive than a type one because of the machine work that needs to be done but it is less expensive than a type four.
if you pm me i can get a phone number to call for more info.
right now i have a 2.1 that is getting shipped to me, i am going to keep the crank and and have the case machined for me. the machine work on the case including shuffle pins and a few other things totals at about 900 dollars,
i figure for 900 bucks more for type 1 performance and a much better case i can't really go wrong.
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Beherenow.tk
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Ok, but if you get it all machined you practically build a new engine, right?
I am not that experienced at that yet, though it sounds mega! What country is the phone number from?
How about the part of fitting the wbx into the beetle, is that very difficult? I know you have to install the water cooling and radiator etc. But I don't know how and where...
Cheers
P.S. What I mean is whether I cannot fit a 112bhp 2.1L DJ engine and not rework everything...
I am not that experienced at that yet, though it sounds mega! What country is the phone number from?
How about the part of fitting the wbx into the beetle, is that very difficult? I know you have to install the water cooling and radiator etc. But I don't know how and where...
Cheers
P.S. What I mean is whether I cannot fit a 112bhp 2.1L DJ engine and not rework everything...
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dr. no
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Guys, he's looking to put a WET wasserboxer in. How 'bout some simple aswers/specifics about transmission bolt patterns, engine hanger and flywheel/clutch issues? He knows he will have plumbing to do.
Diederick, do a search for this on Google as well as Shoptalk. Much of this forum is guys using a combination of WB and T1 parts to build air-cooled engines. There is a website from Australia with many such water-cooled VW conversions, I just don't have the address offhand. Mating the engine to the transmission is the main issue aside from the installation of radiotor, somewhere, assuming you have a functioning engine with a fuel system of some type. This would be a lot of work, but you will get more power for the guilder than an overbuilt Type 1, but a type 4 would be a simpler solution. While the hulks of Caravelles are plentiful, their engines have probably been well-used (though this may not be as much of an issue in the Netherlands (your cities are closer together, after all) and you may find one that needs little machinging/rebuilding.
Diederick, do a search for this on Google as well as Shoptalk. Much of this forum is guys using a combination of WB and T1 parts to build air-cooled engines. There is a website from Australia with many such water-cooled VW conversions, I just don't have the address offhand. Mating the engine to the transmission is the main issue aside from the installation of radiotor, somewhere, assuming you have a functioning engine with a fuel system of some type. This would be a lot of work, but you will get more power for the guilder than an overbuilt Type 1, but a type 4 would be a simpler solution. While the hulks of Caravelles are plentiful, their engines have probably been well-used (though this may not be as much of an issue in the Netherlands (your cities are closer together, after all) and you may find one that needs little machinging/rebuilding.
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brianwheelies
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check out steve's site. he has done the conversion and went a little further by turboing and adding rack and pinion steering amongst other things.
http://www.clubvw.org.au/steve.htm
http://www.clubvw.org.au/steve.htm
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Beherenow.tk
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Cheers guys, this is more like it 
I did some searching, like i found steve's site (still thnx for the hint), i think you mean Volks-swap http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions with the australian site.
I found this 2.1L 112 bhp on ebay, it's a german engine with 80,000km on it, but it's at $220 already, with 4 days to go. I don't think I am gonna get that one, I guess the price will end up over the top.
There's also a 1.9L 78bhp with 160,000km on it for $100
With 4 days to go. Can I beef this engine up without tooooo many problems? What does the pic look like?
BTW, a dutch company sells adaptors to fix a WBX on a beetle Gearbox (from 228mm to 200mm i believe) But i have a 1500, what size is mine then? 180mm or 200mm?
Could I hang the engine in the beetle just instead of my own or do i need to bolt it in differently?
Cheers![/url]
I did some searching, like i found steve's site (still thnx for the hint), i think you mean Volks-swap http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions with the australian site.
I found this 2.1L 112 bhp on ebay, it's a german engine with 80,000km on it, but it's at $220 already, with 4 days to go. I don't think I am gonna get that one, I guess the price will end up over the top.
There's also a 1.9L 78bhp with 160,000km on it for $100
With 4 days to go. Can I beef this engine up without tooooo many problems? What does the pic look like?
BTW, a dutch company sells adaptors to fix a WBX on a beetle Gearbox (from 228mm to 200mm i believe) But i have a 1500, what size is mine then? 180mm or 200mm?
Could I hang the engine in the beetle just instead of my own or do i need to bolt it in differently?
Cheers![/url]
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Danborn
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You don?t need any adaptors to fit a wasserboxer in a bug, you can do one of two things, 1. use the 228mm flywheel and clutch by remove some material in the gearbox and use a starter from a automatic bug (I did that)?
2. Or find a 210/215mm flywheel from a type-4?. Then just bolt the engine right in! The bolt pattern is the same as a t-1
Be ware of old wasserboxers with more than 160k on the clock! They are often waterleakers! That need a rebuilt, and personally, I wouldn?t go for a 1.9l with carburettors, unless you fit a new cam and a set of dual Weber?s!!?. 2.1l is the way to go!
Jesper
2. Or find a 210/215mm flywheel from a type-4?. Then just bolt the engine right in! The bolt pattern is the same as a t-1
Be ware of old wasserboxers with more than 160k on the clock! They are often waterleakers! That need a rebuilt, and personally, I wouldn?t go for a 1.9l with carburettors, unless you fit a new cam and a set of dual Weber?s!!?. 2.1l is the way to go!
Jesper
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I´m with Jesper.
Also be carefull if the engine has been sitting for a couple of yrs. You might get a topend rebuild on your hands, because of dried up rubber seals.
On the other hand. A 78 hp 1,9, with a set of real 1,25 ratio rockers and a pair of right size dual weber/Dells along with a good 4-1 header/muffler can really wake it up. i got just over 90 hp/165 Nm torque out of one like that.
It´s abit soft in the bottom, below 2600 rpm, but "kills" in the left lane.
T.
Also be carefull if the engine has been sitting for a couple of yrs. You might get a topend rebuild on your hands, because of dried up rubber seals.
On the other hand. A 78 hp 1,9, with a set of real 1,25 ratio rockers and a pair of right size dual weber/Dells along with a good 4-1 header/muffler can really wake it up. i got just over 90 hp/165 Nm torque out of one like that.
It´s abit soft in the bottom, below 2600 rpm, but "kills" in the left lane.
T.
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Don't be real quick about ditching the injection stuff---
With 1.4:1 Scat/Berg rockers and a chip, I have seen tales/reports of >130HP out of a 2.1, and that was an MV (US) low compression motor.
(All else stock...)
... A DJ(?) 2.1 Euro motor would likely make much more, esp with a decent exhaust.
The heads are also apparently responsive to a little hand porting at home...
I have >240K _MILES_ on my `88 2.1 Vanagon, and it still runs great, the heads were off when I got it, and the original cross hatch is still 100% present and even on the cylinder walls---No top step either.
Does not burn a drop of oil...
With 1.4:1 Scat/Berg rockers and a chip, I have seen tales/reports of >130HP out of a 2.1, and that was an MV (US) low compression motor.
(All else stock...)
... A DJ(?) 2.1 Euro motor would likely make much more, esp with a decent exhaust.
The heads are also apparently responsive to a little hand porting at home...
I have >240K _MILES_ on my `88 2.1 Vanagon, and it still runs great, the heads were off when I got it, and the original cross hatch is still 100% present and even on the cylinder walls---No top step either.
Does not burn a drop of oil...
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Myron
Wasser into bug
I built a 1.9 wasserboxer and put it into a 1302 superbeetle, used a 210 fly wheel and clutch. Dual 45 Dellortos to big, went to re-jetted 40mm webers, better. Mechanical fuel pump, 050 distributor, used the vanagon, T-25, Wedge, radiator up front. The engine did not last long as I would break the 120MPH mark daily.
Head stud broke, metal fatigue, water passed into valve cover, down push rod tubes into oil sump. BOOM, that was fun...
Someone gave me a 2.1, so I am off again.
see pictures at www.thesamba.com search gallery under wasserboxer.
Head stud broke, metal fatigue, water passed into valve cover, down push rod tubes into oil sump. BOOM, that was fun...
Someone gave me a 2.1, so I am off again.
see pictures at www.thesamba.com search gallery under wasserboxer.