Funky engine options!

vwbill · Post by **vwbill** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:47 pm

Some funky engine options!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... %3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... %3AIT&rd=1
Need some bucks and some smarts to make em work,lol!
But can you think if you had the bucks and a stripped out 412 sedan,oh yeah! Bill

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:05 am

Rest assured, I've thought of it...

People have various Subaru powered Bugs, Vanagons, etc... Of course, you'd need to transplant in something like a Porsche G50 transaxle. I hate the thought of putting in a radiator, though. Porsche aircooled six is probably the "coolest" engine swap if you must, something like a Carrera 3.2 motor, keep it all German. Of course, for that kind of $$$, a pretty badass Type IV motor could be built! Enough to get you into trouble at least...

vwbill · Post by **vwbill** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:05 pm

Oh, I had always wanted to do that Porsche 6 transplant in a VW! I wouldnt put a subadoob in my vw or a radiator! I did like the twin turbos! Very true about the VW hop up vs all the retro of another motor! Wouldnt you love to get someone Like Jake to mack daddy a 1.7 with twin turbos for a 412 sedan or wagen sleeper! Oh yeah! There is a 411 wagen sitting in a guys side yard here near the Dog Park that would be a sweet project for a sleeper. The subadoob does show you how much power can be made from a pancake motor. I had a fastback T3 I wanted to do the Porsche swap out and even called the Porsche office and they even transferred me to the engineering dept and the guy pulled the drawings and said it was possible with a little mod for the fan! I couldnt believe how cool they were about talking with me too! It's funny how cheap that one motor is and I think its one of those motor from Japan where I heard you had to replace your motor at like 45K to meet the emission stuff?
I still love the 411/412 performance from such a small motor! bill

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:04 pm

Or you could go Detroit...

http://www.mindspring.com/~corvair/FCar ... trnlg2.jpg

...or COMPLETELY the other way...

http://www.autosoviet.altervista.org/ZAZ965ENG-REAR.JPG

Anyone for an air-cooled V4 in your beloved T4, tovaritsch? Runs on vodka or sterno squeezins or even cabernet

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:27 pm

That first link is a 'vair motor, correct? Sure, that's a reasonable swap to consider really. With modern parts, they can be pumping out 200+ horsepower without huge effort IIRC. The Subaru turbo motors are quite impressive actually, those JDM motor prices are quite tempting, although depending on your knowledge, skills, and parts sourcing, additional cash can add up quickly. Of course, I'm talking out of my ass mostly

I've mostly just read about other people's projects. I'm hoping to not be such an armchair wrench jockey in the future.

A few more classes, a lot more reading, and some more tools...

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:54 pm

Yeah, the first one's a Corvair powerplant (the Waterless Wonder from Willow Run), and I understand transplants from 'Vairs to VW's did take place in the '60's. The turbo Corsa engine and tranny is a real screamer, and would make the old T4 into quite a lively ride. The power-induced oversteer would be interesting to manage...

I'd kinda worry about finding a place for the radiator on a Subaru retrofit into an ACVW myself...that and the transmission differences.

The second link is a 60's Soviet ZAZ 965, made in the Ukraine. It's got an air cooled OHV 1 liter V4, something like 38 hp (woo hoo!), and a gas-fired auxiliary heater (you can see it in the image, left side, the fuel tank is at the top left). Usually Soviet industry copied someone else whenever possible, but instead of the usual flat-four (VW and others) or flat-two (Fiat, Citroen, BMW), they chose an air cooled V-4 with a Porsche-like cooling system (pulls air out the fan instead of blowing air down into the engine) and alternator (15A output!). Strange, like nothing else.

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:16 pm

The soviet inline aircooled is sort of a knock off of what was found in late WWI and 1920's inline aircooleds of dutch and German lineage. I'll see if I can dig up some info, but cast iron blocked, inline 4's with finned jugs were common to some aircraft. Ray

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:02 pm

Not inline...Vee 4. Aircooled, too. Like I said, strange, eh?

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:14 pm

I believe some Saabs also had a V4, although watercooled.

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:30 pm

Dang...your right...that is a "v"

. But...those still were not hideously unheard of...in the weird old days in European cars. But.....has anyone over here in the US ever made a V-4 engine? I Keep thinking I saw something....possiby aircooled...in like ...a sprint car? Ray

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:38 pm

The Saab V4 was really a German Ford V4...which was originally designed by Ford UK, but never used in the UK. The Sonnett used that engine, I think after they stopped production of the I3 two-stroke. And it was H2O cooled, yeah. Cast iron, pushrod. I think they used it in the old Taunus 17M (the one with the oval headlights, ugly as home made sin).

I understand NSU had an inline aircooled 4, and an inline aircooled 2, and others had aircooled flat 2's and 4's, but I've never heard of an aircooled V4 before...it'd be interesting to see others, if they exist.

What about that Eberspaecherski in that ZAZ? Even copied an SU fuel pump for it!

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Funky engine options!

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Oh yeah German all the way!