412 shorty manifolds??

kooldub · Post by **kooldub** » Wed May 16, 2007 1:53 pm

are these the stock 412 manifolds i need for my t4 in a t3 conversion? thanks

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Wed May 16, 2007 3:30 pm

Never seen any. Didn't all the 412s sold North America come with fuel injection?

hoodsy · Post by **hoodsy** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:25 pm

one of my 412's has carbs on it and those ( the ones pictured) are the same manifolds.

kooldub · Post by **kooldub** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:53 am

yeah, the 412's sold in N. America were FI but the euro ones were carb'd. I was just making sure these were the stock 412 manifolds, accordng to tuna's website these should fit under my decklid in my 68 square. anyone else's input??

thanks

tuna · Post by **tuna** » Thu May 17, 2007 3:51 pm

I could be wrong, but those look like the ones from a Bus or a 411/412 sedan. The ones you need are from a 411/412 Wagon (Variant). They are tough to find, but they are much shorter than the sedan ones.

Tuna

JamesT · Post by **JamesT** » Mon May 21, 2007 7:35 pm

The north american cars sold in '74 were carb'd, but the earlier ones were fuel injected... kinda weird if you think about it...

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:14 pm

Mine all originally had FI. The '74 2dr. sedans even still had D-Jet/1700cc. The wagons and 4drs had L-Jet/1800cc for '74. I believe, it did indeed vary from market to market which cars had what on what years, with some markets getting carbs on the late cars. From the options list on type4.org, it looks like it may have been possible to specify carburetors until '73, though? Was this possible in the U.S.?

From type4.org:

599 |Carburated engine| until 7/73

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Tue May 22, 2007 12:49 am

Tuna is right: those pictured are not the low ones from a 412 with the 1,8 ltr euro engine.
Those are Bus T2 indeed and don't fit squarebacks or type 3's.

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:10 am

There were no carbed type 4 vehicles shipped to the United States...unless they were "grey-market". There were carbed 411/412's there were shipped to Canada. It was a mix or a specific point in time change.
All of the 412's in USA came with FI...as they could not meet emmissions without. Ray

Bill K. · Post by **Bill K.** » Tue May 22, 2007 7:09 am

There is a pair advertised on The Samba...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=449125

kooldub · Post by **kooldub** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:21 am

I'm confused

the ad above is where i got the manifolds from, so will they work on my t4 in a t3 conversion??

func412 · Post by **func412** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:42 pm

Those look like shorter ones to me. I have two pairs of them for sale and I´ve never seen any shorter than those.

I had longer ones in AP 1800 engine, which originally has been in the bus. Here´s the pictures:

func412 · Post by **func412** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:59 pm

It seems like there is 3 types of manifolds available. In the AP engine I had extra long manifolds, which has a vacuum line under the carbs.

But I found yesterday that I have two types of shorty manifolds. Those are easy to identify as you see in these pictures.

So when looking at the picture on the top of this topic; those are not the shortest ones, but not the longest ones either.

func412 · Post by **func412** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:44 am

I found a pair of the tall bus manifolds. Here are the tallest and shortest ones in the picture.

SureFit Travis · Post by **SureFit Travis** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:25 pm

So I've been recently thinking about building up my spare type-4 engine to put into my '68 type-3 fastback, and I too am now interested in finding a pair of these short manifolds.

Obvioulsy it will be hard to find these in North America (even Canada, as most were F.I. here too), so where would the best place to be to search for these?

Travis