Never seen this before, pictures?Wally wrote:Thanks for the input Richard!
Your exactly saying what my worry is/was. I am (even) more worried about the noise restrictions on some (most) tracks (circuits) these days and what the straight cuts may contribute to that. Difficult to predict..
Cheers Chip! After longh hesitation, I now have removed the complete tray and the idea of flipping it, is tempting as I can do steel fabrication so much more easily the alu. I'll remove the tar completely and then weigh it for shits and giggles.
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Boost was created only to make people smile, and make power!
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2165cc on a Borg Warner S257 SXE, DTA S60 on E85.
Boost was created only to make people smile, and make power!
10.626 @ 132mph SCC2016
10.407 @ 134mph SCC2017
10.221 @ 135mph SCC2018
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Married for 33 years now, I sympathize...Type 4 Unleashed wrote:Hey Wally
I had straight cuts in my 914 for a year, this was my daily driver, the 1st two months were fine, the last 10, I couldn't wait to take them out. And was so relieved when I did. It's the constant steady whining.
If it's not going to be a daily driver you may be fine.
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zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Piledriver wrote:Married for 33 years now, I sympathize...Type 4 Unleashed wrote:Hey Wally
I had straight cuts in my 914 for a year, this was my daily driver, the 1st two months were fine, the last 10, I couldn't wait to take them out. And was so relieved when I did. It's the constant steady whining.
If it's not going to be a daily driver you may be fine.
Stripped66 wrote:The point wasn't to argue air temps with the current world record holder, but to dispel the claim that the K03 is wrapped up at 150 HP. It's not.
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See I don't really notice my CB straight cuts... Seems to vary case by case sadly!
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Hi Wally
I forgot to ask earlier, what material was used for the seats ? JM 7 Bronze ? I thought I remember hearing that Beryllium Copper wasn't allowed to be used in Europe ? And what stem diameters on the valves ? 6 & 7mm
I would like to try the JM 7 Bronze or something compatible with less safety issues on a set of heads I want to switch to Titanium.
I forgot to ask earlier, what material was used for the seats ? JM 7 Bronze ? I thought I remember hearing that Beryllium Copper wasn't allowed to be used in Europe ? And what stem diameters on the valves ? 6 & 7mm
I would like to try the JM 7 Bronze or something compatible with less safety issues on a set of heads I want to switch to Titanium.
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Hi Richard,Type 4 Unleashed wrote:Hi Wally
I forgot to ask earlier, what material was used for the seats ? JM 7 Bronze ? I thought I remember hearing that Beryllium Copper wasn't allowed to be used in Europe ? And what stem diameters on the valves ? 6 & 7mm
I would like to try the JM 7 Bronze or something compatible with less safety issues on a set of heads I want to switch to Titanium.
Yeah, its not berrilium-copper, but exactly what alloy combination it is, I dunno tbh. Probably the JM7 bronze you mention. I think if you email Jacob at gbot.dk I am sure he will tell you what alloy it is.
Yes, intake is 6mm, exhausts are 7mm. Iirc Jacob runs a type 4 with Titanium valves and these seats in his own car as well.
Sorry for the delay in respons, as I didn't seem to get notification anymore from STF..
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I didnt either in topics i replyd, switched to tapatalk now on my smartphone!
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After some nice, longer, rods - together with the marriage gears
- came in from Pauter just before X-mas, I got back into the engine finally being able to measure PR length and valve notch depth.
With the ratio rockers, I now got 15,5mm valve lift! I've never ran that much lift

We're finally getting somewhere! (firstly it will run N/A however, just to get a base line).
With the ratio rockers, I now got 15,5mm valve lift! I've never ran that much lift

We're finally getting somewhere! (firstly it will run N/A however, just to get a base line).
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"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
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Wally wrote: with the marriage gears-
Is that slang for Straight Cuts
I like around .600" for a daily driver, and with 6 & 7mm Tit valves they will be really lite even with the head dia's you are running. So spring pressure can be kept down, I would look at 350 to 380 over the nose and 130 seat.
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Yeah, in reference to the 'whining' they usually seem to induce as was mentioned beforeType 4 Unleashed wrote:
Is that slang for Straight Cuts![]()
I like around .600" for a daily driver, and with 6 & 7mm Tit valves they will be really lite even with the head dia's you are running. So spring pressure can be kept down, I would look at 350 to 380 over the nose and 130 seat.
With the Ti retainers and even Ti keepers, it will all be indeed very lightweight. I chose CB650's as I have really good experience with them. Since the valve length was kept a tad bit longer iirc, spring pressure will be a little less then the CB650's run with in stock installed height mode of course. I'll measure installed height again soon as I don;t have the head porters info handy atm.
With the relative short duration cam relative to the amount of lift and an anticipated 7500-8000 rpm range at a considerable amount of boost (in the future), a bit overkill in valve control is good practice I thought.
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And the parcel shelf is back in, upsidedown this time. Should be ample room now for turbo placement more forward in the car


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Looks real good Wally! I am envious of the space you have in there!Wally wrote:And the parcel shelf is back in, upsidedown this time. Should be ample room now for turbo placement more forward in the car![]()
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It is indeed a big gain in space. Later when I will build the header will it be more clear why I need the room for the turbo there

Here you can see a bit more where it starts and ends in the cabin:

(sorry for the darkness of the pics)

Here you can see a bit more where it starts and ends in the cabin:

(sorry for the darkness of the pics)
T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi in a streetlegal 1303
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
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Nice modification Wally!


