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I just emailed him and asked if they were still for sale. He said they were, I made him some ridicoulous (ok I cant spell) offer.

Still for sale??? I thought they were already sold!

Oh boy, I've delt with people like him before. Pretty soon he won't be able to tell which person he told what story too.

ok here is a copy of our emails today


----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
To: Elmore
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: 412's


I have noticed the add on the Samba doesnt say the cars have sold, is this correct?

Thanks


----- Original Message -----
From: Elmore
To: Doug
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: 412's


Correct

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
To: Elmore
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: 412's


I will still give you our original price of 500 for the blue car that "runs"

----- Original Message -----
From: Elmore
To: Doug
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: 412's


You offered $1100.00 for the package. I want to sell them as a package. Can you come up with $1250.00?

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
To: Elmore
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: 412's


nah I will give you $500 thats what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon.

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This was his response


Doug said : "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon."
Originally these cars were mine and they still are. If you want the package, I will let you have them for $ 1,500.00. If you really want the package, you can make a reasonable counter offer and I welcome that.
As for your response, "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon."
What's your problem? Don't you comprehend? Are you developmentally disabled or just a common sociopath? Maybe I can take that into consideration and knock off a few bucks.

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my response to him

>>Doug said : "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon."
Originally these cars were mine and they still are. If you want the package, I will let you have them for $ 1,500.00. If you really want the package, you can make a reasonable counter offer and I welcome that.<<

Hey I did make a reasonable offer and it wasnt good enough for you 2 months ago... now I am making another offer of $500, which was the ORIGINAL price we had agreed upon.

>>As for your response, "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon." What's your problem?<<

Dont have a problem at all, I know what these cars are worth in the condition they are in, you want to sell cars in that shape for that amount of money they will be rust before anyone buys them. YOU CALLED ME ON THE PHONE WITHOUT ANY SOLICITING FROM ME and offered the cars to me, I asked you what you wanted for them, you said "$500" I was actually going to give you 7 or 8 hundred, but then YOU backed out of the deal, I am not going to say anything about your "WORD"

>>Don't you comprehend?<<
Yes I comprehend fully. Your a person who thinks he has something that is way more valuable than it is. Every person that has sent you an offer KNOWS ME and I know them, people who have 412's are a very select group and we all talk to each other. I know what you have been offered.

>>Are you developmentally disabled or just a common sociopath?<<
Nope neither of those. Being developmentally disabled would be asking $2000 for cars that are worth $100 a piece.

>>Maybe I can take that into consideration and knock off a few bucks.<<
Thats what I was doing with you when I made my offer of $1000. I figured since you came across as a nice guy thats what I would give you for them. But that was then, this is now.

Doug you forgot to post the entire E-Mail that you sent me, but you have often been untruthful to the participants on this forum in regard to this issue. Here is the last e-mail that you sent me , in it's entirety:
">>Doug Zannis said : "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon."
Originally these cars were mine and they still are. If you want the package, I will let you have them for $ 1,500.00. If you really want the package, you can make a reasonable counter offer and I welcome that.<<

Hey I did make a reasonable offer and it wasnt good enough for you 2 months ago... now I am making another offer of $500, which was the ORIGINAL price we had agreed upon.

>>As for your response, "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon." What's your problem?<<

Dont have a problem at all, I know what these cars are worth in the condition they are in, you want to sell cars in that shape for that amount of money they will be rust before anyone buys them. YOU CALLED ME ON THE PHONE WITHOUT ANY SOLICITING FROM ME and offered the cars to me, I asked you what you wanted for them, you said "$500" I was actually going to give you 7 or 8 hundred, but then YOU backed out of the deal, I am not going to say anything about your "WORD"

>>Don't you comprehend?<<
Yes I comprehend fully. Your a person who thinks he has something that is way more valuable than it is. Every person that has sent you an offer KNOWS ME and I know them, people who have 412's are a very select group and we all talk to each other. I know what you have been offered.

>>Are you developmentally disabled or just a common sociopath?<<
Nope neither of those. Being developmentally disabled would be asking $2000 for cars that are worth $100 a piece.

>>Maybe I can take that into consideration and knock off a few bucks.<<
Thats what I was doing with you when I made my offer of $1000. I figured since you came across as a nice guy thats what I would give you for them. But that was then, this is now. $700 or $800"

See the difference? " $700 or $800"
You also offered me as much as $1,100.00 at one point but I believed you told the participants of this forum a diiferent figure. I have the e-mails on file. Here is what you wrote in the forum "I offered him $750 for the whole lot, including the trees........." hahaha that's funny. You ought to change your name to "Zanies"- Dearth Bus. hahaha. Single 60 was right on the money. I have been reading Doug's, Eric Hillburn's and Corey Ebbert's bulls#*%^ for weeks. Ever since Doug wrote, "Hey ya'll, I think my pryers have been answered, ... it seems I have fallen into a full 412 parts HEAVEN! " hahaha.
You know, I never told anyone that they were sold or that a parts and repair shop in WA state offered to buy them. Like I said I saved the e-mails and and can post them.
I knew that the "Fella" from SF was going to send an e-mail before I received it. How's your "74" 412 doing. hahaha I was the guest who brought it to attention that it was a 73'... "Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:01 am Post subject: 74' type 4 ?
That's a 73 not a 74. Chrome bumpers are anyway." ...
"Proud parent of a 2 door seeks advice." hahaha
I hope if Eric really does decide to become a parent he can discern the make & model of his "Partner" hahaha ... Oh yeah, San Fransisco. It probably doesn' t matter much. hahaha
I was waiting in anticipation for Corey's e-mail ... talk about a " Moron". hahaha
Well keep up the interesting posts and replys and if you have a reasonable offer for these cars I might even throw in a tree.

hmm... what's next.

THATS AWESOME! Didnt know you had it in you Elmore! Remember my offer of 500 still stands!!!! Oh who the hell is Terry anyway?

Doug you forgot to post the entire E-Mail that you sent me, but you have often been untruthful to the participants on this forum in regard to this issue. Here is the last e-mail that you sent me , in it's entirety:
">>Doug Zannis said : "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon."
Originally these cars were mine and they still are. If you want the package, I will let you have them for $ 1,500.00. If you really want the package, you can make a reasonable counter offer and I welcome that.<<

Hey I did make a reasonable offer and it wasnt good enough for you 2 months ago... now I am making another offer of $500, which was the ORIGINAL price we had agreed upon.

>>As for your response, "nah I will give you $500 that's what we ORIGINALLY agreed upon." What's your problem?<<

Dont have a problem at all, I know what these cars are worth in the condition they are in, you want to sell cars in that shape for that amount of money they will be rust before anyone buys them. YOU CALLED ME ON THE PHONE WITHOUT ANY SOLICITING FROM ME and offered the cars to me, I asked you what you wanted for them, you said "$500" I was actually going to give you 7 or 8 hundred, but then YOU backed out of the deal, I am not going to say anything about your "WORD"

>>Don't you comprehend?<<
Yes I comprehend fully. Your a person who thinks he has something that is way more valuable than it is. Every person that has sent you an offer KNOWS ME and I know them, people who have 412's are a very select group and we all talk to each other. I know what you have been offered.

>>Are you developmentally disabled or just a common sociopath?<<
Nope neither of those. Being developmentally disabled would be asking $2000 for cars that are worth $100 a piece.

>>Maybe I can take that into consideration and knock off a few bucks.<<
Thats what I was doing with you when I made my offer of $1000. I figured since you came across as a nice guy thats what I would give you for them. But that was then, this is now. $700 or $800"

See the difference? " $700 or $800"
You also offered me as much as $1,100.00 at one point but I believed you told the participants of this forum a diiferent figure. I have the e-mails on file. Here is what you wrote in the forum "I offered him $750 for the whole lot, including the trees........." hahaha that's funny. You ought to change your name to "Zanies"- Dearth Bus. hahaha. Single 60 was right on the money. I have been reading Doug's, Eric Hillburn's and Corey Ebbert's bulls#*%^ for weeks. Ever since Doug wrote, "Hey ya'll, I think my pryers have been answered, ... it seems I have fallen into a full 412 parts HEAVEN! " hahaha.
You know, I never told anyone that they were sold or that a parts and repair shop in WA state offered to buy them. Like I said I saved the e-mails and and can post them.
I knew that the "Fella" from SF was going to send an e-mail before I received it. How's your "74" 412 doing. hahaha I was the guest who brought it to attention that it was a 73'... "Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:01 am Post subject: 74' type 4 ?
That's a 73 not a 74. Chrome bumpers are anyway." ...
"Proud parent of a 2 door seeks advice." hahaha
I hope if Eric really does decide to become a parent he can discern the make & model of his "Partner" hahaha ... Oh yeah, San Fransisco. It probably doesn' t matter much. hahaha
I was waiting in anticipation for Corey's e-mail ... talk about a " Moron". hahaha
Well keep up the interesting posts and replys and if you have a reasonable offer for these cars I might even throw in a tree.

So what is YOUR word worth Elmore who grows trees? Our original AGREEMENT was for $500, i guess that was your "sucker" to get me interested in these cars. But when you backed out of the deal, I should have realized something was fishy in the boonies. Dude we can go on and on about how I said this and you said that, but the fact is, you still have not sold your cars, and you have probably alienated the ONLY guy in Alabama who would buy them from you. Save your emails in your files and use them as your "evidence" of our plot against you, but facts are facts, you are not gonna get 2k or even 1k out of me for those cars, they can rot, there is one right down the street from me for sale that I can buy any time. I just think that its EXTREMELY FUNNY that you think you can get 1850 or even 1500, god help the sucker who buys them.

ok, ok. I will sell them for $2000, you bring the Bushhog!

The real Elmore wrote

"See the difference? " $700 or $800"" - dang I failed to mention that much......

The real Elmore wrote

"haha that's funny. You ought to change your name to "Zanies"- Dearth Bus. "

You should change your name to "Guy who still has 3 412 parts cars"

The real Elmore wrote
You know, I never told anyone that they were sold or that a parts and repair shop in WA state offered to buy them.

Actually you did, to me in an email, but I am not so obsessive compulsive that I have to keep every email in my inbox.

The real Elmore wrote
hmm... what's next.

Certainly not an offer above 800

Here is that e-mail mentioning the WA parts house, at least the pertinent part. Notice the the words "he indicated a $2,000.00 value. The key words are "indicated a value". I never said that they offered me anything. They just assessed a value of what I told them I had. You have a problem comprehending.

"I will consider your offer of $1050.00 to $1100.00 but am currently entertaining other offers from other potential buyers. I spoke to a man who works for a company that sells type 4 parts and is familiar with type 4 Volkswagens and based on my description of this package, sans the tow bar, he indicated a $2000.00 value."

Anonymous wrote:Here is that e-mail mentioning the WA parts house, at least the pertinent part. Notice the the words "he indicated a $2,000.00 value. The key words are "indicated a value". I never said that they offered me anything. They just assessed a value of what I told them I had. You have a problem comprehending.

"I will consider your offer of $1050.00 to $1100.00 but am currently entertaining other offers from other potential buyers. I spoke to a man who works for a company that sells type 4 parts and is familiar with type 4 Volkswagens and based on my description of this package, sans the tow bar, he indicated a $2000.00 value."

Seems like you have a hard time signing in ELMO.........

Dang this must be really making you mad to have to keep putting your point across that you cant get the price you want for your 3 parts cars.

Keep trying and maybe someone will feel sorry enough for you to make you an offer above 800.........

Wow. Heck of a exchange you have going here. I think it might be best to keep this stuff to your personal emails and leave the forum. I know Elmore is capable since I just received this diatribe at my email site.

Folks, this is as timeless a disagreement that can be. It's when it gets personal that things break down. Elmore did indeed discover the forum and was rightly upset at some of the characterizations of him there. It's just not cool to go there (esp. in a public forum). And by the way, Terry is the one who used the word "moron" and set Elmore off.

Now that's been said....my turn.

Elmore, none of my 3 or 4 posts were ever personal. In no way did I imply anything about you. Your prices are just unreasonable from a restoration point of view and you DID email me you had sold the vehicles.

Done. Cool.


BUT.... Who's the ------ now???. Ok Elmore, you can read. And sure the "the jokes on us", you've been following along, you have all the emails.

Who cares for one, but you continue with the typical "San Francisco" implications at me. Again, who cares, but what's with that? You just confirmed those previous comments about you.

I'm actually more upset at your at make and model comment. Sorry dude, it's tuff when the previous owner and the state of California tell you it's a 74 and you don't have the VIN.

Let it go, move on

and please stop sending me email.

Erik, I like you, am tired of this whole thing and want to move on. I am sure this whole "exchange" has not come across to well. BUT, if you and I and whoever else want to discuss some idiot who wants way to much for his pos and we want to make fun of that, we should! I could care less if he reads any of this or not. I agree if he wants to discuss this further he should email me.

If he was an honest person he would have lived up to his original agreement that HE MADE WITH ME. To tell you the truth, when he backed out of the original deal, I was not going to buy the cars for whatever price he wanted. So now if he wants to sell them to me it will have to be for the original price, $500.

Elmore, if you stopped saving emails, reading NADA and figuring ways on raising the price of your cars and actually did work on your cars like

putting air in the tires, cutting down the forest growing around the gold one, getting the years of trash out of the "running" one, WASHING THEM, actually getting them TO RUN then MAYBE you would get some offers.


As for everyone else, I am sorry I drug you all into this, it was never my intention.

Now now, fight nice.

I was waiting in anticipation for Corey's e-mail ... talk about a " Moron". hahaha

That's fine, let's talk about a moron. Oh wait, that's right, that's what this whole thread is about.