Karman Sutra
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
Somebody provided me this link for a great technical resource for driving in a crooked manner -- thought I'd share
http://www.turnfast.com/technical
http://www.turnfast.com/technical
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
Got the new Cam Sensor installed -- What a PITA!!!!!! -- -- everything that could screw up did.... Finally went and got my Engine Guru and between the two of us we were able to get the Distributor drive in,,,, it fought us all the way... the sensor dropped right in after that -- Looks good in there now
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- Fiatdude
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- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
Spent the day making some brackets to mount the new coils -- Slowly laying everything out so that I will not get any ignition and injector feedback into the crank and cam sensors
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- Chip Birks
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Re: Karman Sutra
Bought darn time! I can't believe you fought with that stuff for as long as you did.Fiatdude wrote:SO after 3 years .. .. .. enuff said
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Re: Karman Sutra
Can't call me a quitter LOL
- Piledriver
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Re: Karman Sutra
You may want to pick up a handful of clip-on ferrite cores.
They can do miracles (usually to make the worst possible type of issue to troubleshoot go away--- intermittent glitches), and can do no harm.
I lived with a very intermittent totally random sync loss for years, used to have ferrites on my MS2 setup if a few locations, zero issues, but when I upgraded the whole setup to MS3 with a new harness, the fun began.
(totally random, not enough to troubleshoot) did it with 3 different trigger setups, even after replacing the trigger lines with shielded twisted pair with totally independent grounds going back to the ECU. Even did it with MS2 ecu installed on new harness.
Finally broke down and slapped 3 cores back on ~just as I had pre-emptively installed on the MS2 setup:
one between coils and battery to prevent backfeeding coil noise, one on the trigger line near the distributor (I'm running a missing tooth wheel in a modded 009 shell) and one at the 12v input of the ECU:
Haven't had a single sync loss since (months now)
The one on the coil power feed has as many wraps of 12ga as I could fit in the large open core from rat shack
You may want to put the as near to the coils as possible, but I had some extra 12 ga wire for the 2 battery feed wires to the coil power relay/fuses.
Rat Shack seems to be out of business many locations but you can get the cores ~anywhere that actually sells electronics parts.
(There is a reason all real electronics places sell these... They are magic
)
They can do miracles (usually to make the worst possible type of issue to troubleshoot go away--- intermittent glitches), and can do no harm.
I lived with a very intermittent totally random sync loss for years, used to have ferrites on my MS2 setup if a few locations, zero issues, but when I upgraded the whole setup to MS3 with a new harness, the fun began.
(totally random, not enough to troubleshoot) did it with 3 different trigger setups, even after replacing the trigger lines with shielded twisted pair with totally independent grounds going back to the ECU. Even did it with MS2 ecu installed on new harness.
Finally broke down and slapped 3 cores back on ~just as I had pre-emptively installed on the MS2 setup:
one between coils and battery to prevent backfeeding coil noise, one on the trigger line near the distributor (I'm running a missing tooth wheel in a modded 009 shell) and one at the 12v input of the ECU:
Haven't had a single sync loss since (months now)
The one on the coil power feed has as many wraps of 12ga as I could fit in the large open core from rat shack
You may want to put the as near to the coils as possible, but I had some extra 12 ga wire for the 2 battery feed wires to the coil power relay/fuses.
Rat Shack seems to be out of business many locations but you can get the cores ~anywhere that actually sells electronics parts.
(There is a reason all real electronics places sell these... They are magic
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
Thanks -- -- My Radio Shack is still open and it says that they have some in stock for $3 each -- -- I'll go see if they have enough -- -- These new coils are listed as "smart coils" and have 3 separate grounds on them and the power wire is small, go figure
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Steve Arndt
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I think the AEM coils are re-labeled IGN1A coils from the appearance.Fiatdude wrote:Thanks -- -- My Radio Shack is still open and it says that they have some in stock for $3 each -- -- I'll go see if they have enough -- -- These new coils are listed as "smart coils" and have 3 separate grounds on them and the power wire is small, go figure
Steve
My Baja Build
My Baja Build
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
You are correct Steve -- If you google them, a picture comes up with the AEM sticker on the coils LOL -- -- Off to RS to get me the Ferrite cores and some double row terminal blocks -- Thanks for the input guys
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
Man, With each coil sporting 5 wires, it is making this wiring job a bastard to keep it looking clean, I could of 'hid' it better with longer wire runs, but I was wanting to keep the power wire as short as possible after looping it thru a ferrite core to kill the 'noise' from the coils -- -- I do not want any interference getting into the cam and crank sensors this time ====
This took me 5 hours with building the harness and doing the plugs and it is still not done, This is with only 1 wire connected, 4 more to go -- hitting it hard today,,, again
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This took me 5 hours with building the harness and doing the plugs and it is still not done, This is with only 1 wire connected, 4 more to go -- hitting it hard today,,, again
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss30 ... 8gsz2f.jpg
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Re: Karman Sutra
Was planning on having a nice relaxing day today, It's a beautiful day, shorts and t-shirt weather here in Cali -- Well, My wife and I are recovering from having our kitchen completely tore apart from the ice maker line breaking and hosing the floor and cabinets and walls down -- but after about 29 hours of listening to the dehumidifiers drone on and on and on and on, I decided to go out into the garage where it's nice and quiet and plunk away at wiring up the engine harness for the AEM -- so I decide to make a few runs here and there and get some wires about where they need to be and complete the injector wiring -- I've got the ghia stripped down, all the seats are out so I can get my fat arse in to snake between the roll bars and poke wires thru the fire wall, then I crawl out backwards and get into the engine compartment and pull them thru -- I've been doing this for about 4 hours -- in and out, in and out -- so I finally got the injector wires half way shrink wrapped and I'm getting ready to put the connectors on and finish this chit up,, It's looking pretty good and then I cut them to the length I want -- -- Now AEM has some nice harness, each wire is labeled with what it is for, and they put the harness together with a zip tie about every foot, But all the injectors are the same color and I just cut off the wire .. .. and the labeling can't be seen as it is under the shrink wrap,,,,, Damn it, So I get out the ohm meter and poke a lead thru the fire wall, walk around snake myself into the car, pop the connector off the EFI and start seeing which wire is for which injector,,,, easy peasy -- so I'm backing out from inside the car and suddenly there something cold, wet stuck up my arse -- -- I scream like the little girl that I am and almost launch myself out through the opposite side of the car -- -- -- The freaking neighbors Great Dane had got of its back yard and snuck into my garage was checking out what I was doing ... O Holy Chit, it skeered the living crap out of me
The wife comes running out thinking I have attempted to kill myself .. again ... --So I then end up hurting my back lifting the wife off the ground where she was rolling on the floor laughing and crying her eyes out -- F-it,,, I'm done for today......
The wife comes running out thinking I have attempted to kill myself .. again ... --So I then end up hurting my back lifting the wife off the ground where she was rolling on the floor laughing and crying her eyes out -- F-it,,, I'm done for today......
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Re: Karman Sutra
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
- ALYKAT III
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Re: Karman Sutra
Thank you for getting my day off to a wonderful start
I no longer feel so grumpy about the task of loading-trailering- unloading 200 bales of hay ...by hand..that faces me today.
- Fiatdude
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Re: Karman Sutra
I beginning to wonder if I'll find the ends to all these wires LOL
or
Dude, where's my interior
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss30 ... reqdzb.jpg
My Metri-pack connectors are here,,, Waiting for the CORRECT crimper now -- It never ends.....
or
Dude, where's my interior
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss30 ... reqdzb.jpg
My Metri-pack connectors are here,,, Waiting for the CORRECT crimper now -- It never ends.....