Brake Assisted Steering

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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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I have one of those little wire baskets there in my DD, and it doesn't get in the way at all. Mayhap it's closer to the shifter in my head than my not-at-all-to-scale scribbles would suggest.

Speaking of not being to scale, the cable guide bracket may best be anchored to the under dash.
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Lol yeah, which takes us back to Ol'fogasauras' comment about drafting. Now we are to the point where if we wanted to do this we could start taking measurements and such to draft up a real layout. Which I did take drafting in high school and used to to know auto cad pretty well, but now I work 50+ hours a week, have a wife, kid and two dogs. I go to school full time (12 credit hours) and I'm fixing up our house to get ready to sell so we can move out in the country. So everything VW related takes a back seat at the moment :(
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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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My high school didn't have any such courses... I, similarly, am not going anywhere with this any time soon. Startup company, moving in two weeks, to a place where my garage/shop space is maxed, and no suitable vehicles to try it out on... I do have the wife's blessing (and encouragement, and likely her participation) for a race ghia, so this idea will almost certainly resurface in my future...
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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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Sounds like a plan to me. I will try to keep an eye out for any more on this subject.

I am sorry that drafting wasn't part of your school curriculum, it should be as it is part of life. If you are going to buy a house or remodel and plans are drawn you should be able to read them and that is where high school drafting comes in.

Now that some schools are removing Cursive from their elementary courses; how do they expect someone to sign their names or read something written in Cursive. I know the teacher have a lot on their plates but this is so important to life in general to remove it.

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Ol'fogasaurus wrote:
Now that some schools are removing Cursive from their elementary courses; how do they expect someone to sign their names or read something written in Cursive. I know the teacher have a lot on their plates but this is so important to life in general to remove it.

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In the future cursive won't matter because hand writing won't matter. It will all be communicated with words yet to be determined but some of them include ROFL, LOL, IMO, IMHO, CUL8R
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I don't know about you guys, but I write things by hand so seldom that I tried to hand write some notes on a piece of paper the other day (finding a working pen and paper in the house was a bit of a challenge in and of itself), that just a half sheet of written notes gave me some serious cramps. I had to stop a few times to shake it out. We're talking about a couple dozen short bullet point lines here. Additionally, my handwriting was barely legible even to me! The only thing I ever write these days is my signature on those electronic pads after I've run a card. I never write checks, I type everything on my laptop or my phone, and there's really just no reason to write ever (save when I'm going to do something especially greasy that will require multiple glances at detailed notes and I don't want my phone or laptop to get that dirty). I can honestly say I don't remember the last time I even saw cursive handwriting (I print everything when I write, in all caps no less), and trying to think about it, I'm pretty sure I would have to look twice to read it. I don't think cursive will be missed in education, and I think competent typing skills are far and away more important (up there with the ability to read). I own a software company though, and that may put me a bit on the fringe with that particular subject.
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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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I do write (gotten pretty crummy from disuse since I retired :roll: ) but as far as I know, a legal signature is still in force. There are now even question about retina logging I think.

Anyway, back to the subject. Ahem... ahh, hmmm, OK talk to you later. Bye

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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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Very interesting idea still, just food for thought I'm sure someone here knows the answer and excuse me if someone already posed this question. So when you go to U-Haul or wherever and get a trailer with brakes, how do it worky?

I've seen the M/C mounted near the hitch and it's just getting voltage from the tailights, right? They don't lock up and I don't think the applied pressure is speed variable, but it definitely bites, is there a maximum applied at all speeds?
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Are you talking about surge brakes? http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4913651_su ... -work.html

I've driven with them; they work OK (up to a point anyway) and electric brakes. Properly adjusted I prefer electric brakes.
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Just to see if they are made: I looked into electric disc brakes; I know they make them for trailers and smaller vehicles. I think I may have seen some designed for Jeeps so they must be out there.
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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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You could probably pwm control them, perhaps using a ms and perhaps leverage the current traction control code. Might make for a neat active limited slip diff on the back tires as well.. hmmm...

The control boxes have a slider on the front for how hard they grab and iirc threshold
(my sons f350 flatbed started life as a uhaul and has a working box)

Much better plan.

Throw a request out on msextra, one of the devs might bite or provide some ideas.
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Pile, could you please un-code the acronyms. I probably won't understand but at least give me a chance at it. It sounds like something good came out of this.

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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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pwm== pulse width modulation
ms=megasquirt
devs==developers//coders
iirc==If I Remember Correctly
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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Thank you sir!

Mods, I think we need a sticky list of acronyms' for quick reference.

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Re: Brake Assisted Steering

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Piledriver wrote:You could probably pwm control them, perhaps using a ms and perhaps leverage the current traction control code. Might make for a neat active limited slip diff on the back tires as well.. hmmm...

The control boxes have a slider on the front for how hard they grab and iirc threshold
(my sons f350 flatbed started life as a uhaul and has a working box)

Much better plan.

Throw a request out on msextra, one of the devs might bite or provide some ideas.
I was thinking about this too because a Quaife is more than twice the price of the trans I want to run, but the MS and all the parts to make it work are almost up that high as well. That damn money factor gets me ever time :roll:
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