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What about one of these style nozzles? no welding req'd.

Where can one buy those?

I got mine from McMaster carr. Basically, any male threaded nozzle can be installed this way. Just find a washer that fits it and thread a fitting on the outside. The one in the second pic is a push lock festo fitting.

I believe that snow performance sells some that have two locking nuts for a true bulkhead style install.

I just google image searched "alcohol injection nozzle" and lots of stuff came up.

All I'm asking is if it is an accurate boost reference. Aj sims told me that's what he does and I just wanted to make sure it's accurate. I don't mind drilling homes in my turbo as long as it works

For boost reference, yes.

But I thought you were asking about injecting alcohol there. Ideally you want to inject as close to the intake port (at the head) as possible so its a fine mist. Injecting alcohol at the turbo will turn into a lot of wall wetting in the intake and droplets before it ever hits the intake port but it will work.

risk wrote:For boost reference, yes.

But I thought you were asking about injecting alcohol there. Ideally you want to inject as close to the intake port (at the head) as possible so its a fine mist. Injecting alcohol at the turbo will turn into a lot of wall wetting in the intake and droplets before it ever hits the intake port but it will work.

ahh aj sims told me to just mount it on the outlet of the turbo. so the best place to spray would be at like the bottom portion of my t pipe?

It has to be after the intercooler you will want to install after you get addicted.
Think ahead

Piledriver wrote:It has to be after the intercooler you will want to install after you get addicted.
Think ahead

well im draw through right now so id have to go blow through to have an intercooler

i already want to go blow through FI but i just have 0 knowledge of going FI on a bug other than buying a CB kit for like 4 grand

chriswillrise wrote:

Piledriver wrote:It has to be after the intercooler you will want to install after you get addicted.
Think ahead

well im draw through right now so id have to go blow through to have an intercooler

i already want to go blow through FI but i just have 0 knowledge of going FI on a bug other than buying a CB kit for like 4 grand

See? Its easy to think ahead
There are many folks on here who have done DIY ACVW EFI conversions and happy to help, and Mario sells from complete systems to small parts.

chriswillrise wrote:

Piledriver wrote:It has to be after the intercooler you will want to install after you get addicted.
Think ahead

well im draw through right now so id have to go blow through to have an intercooler

i already want to go blow through FI but i just have 0 knowledge of going FI on a bug other than buying a CB kit for like 4 grand

Do you have efi knowledge from some other application?
An engine is an engine. ECUs don't care whether there is water inside or cams hanging off of the heads.

Ah, read back thru the thread again, he already has one of AJs setups, he might as well finish it.
It will work fine set up right, and when you are ready for more you can always sell it later as a complete working system.

When you get to the part where you want proper programmable ignition control/boost control/something to run your water injection/datalogging you can sneak in a microsquirt, MS2 or 3 for all that initially, and ditch the carb when you are ready to put a TB and injectors in.

...In fact, you can do draw through EFI with port injectors and run an intercooler, saves the cost of a BOV.
Requires carbon sealed turbo which are apparently getting harder to find.

Chip Birks wrote:

chriswillrise wrote:

Piledriver wrote:It has to be after the intercooler you will want to install after you get addicted.
Think ahead

well im draw through right now so id have to go blow through to have an intercooler

i already want to go blow through FI but i just have 0 knowledge of going FI on a bug other than buying a CB kit for like 4 grand

Do you have efi knowledge from some other application?
An engine is an engine. ECUs don't care whether there is water inside or cams hanging off of the heads.

honestly no I dont. I can fix anything on any car ive had but I dont have experience in tuning efi anything. I have a tuner for my mazdaspeed and ive tried doing my own tunes but its over my head. Too much stuff haha.

Piledriver wrote:Ah, read back thru the thread again, he already has one of AJs setups, he might as well finish it.
It will work fine set up right, and when you are ready for more you can always sell it later as a complete working system.

When you get to the part where you want proper programmable ignition control/boost control/something to run your water injection/datalogging you can sneak in a microsquirt, MS2 or 3 for all that initially, and ditch the carb when you are ready to put a TB and injectors in.

...In fact, you can do draw through EFI with port injectors and run an intercooler, saves the cost of a BOV.
Requires carbon sealed turbo which are apparently getting harder to find.

i would love to have all that, i almost sold my msd 6btm so i could get a programmable msd box but i honestly have no idea how to make timing curves and all the other stuff that goes along with it

chriswillrise wrote: i would love to have all that, i almost sold my msd 6btm so i could get a programmable msd box but i honestly have no idea how to make timing curves and all the other stuff that goes along with it

Its actually trivial, maybe too easy... but you will have lots of help from folks that have BTDT.

MS3 has an optional dual channel knock module that seems to work, can provide per-cylinder retard.
On MS2 you can use something like a J&S Safegaurd for external knock sensing/control (and send the signal to the MS2 so it can be logged)
A std 'box" style MS2 can become an MS3, but then you are (to some extent) wasting the MS2 card.(depends on what you can resell it for)
If you go there, even if you don't go MS3 straight up, get it with an MS3 box instead.

A full up MS3 + MS3X system would be kinda silly to use ignition only, but you could sneak up on it to some extent with smaller incremental wallet hits.

Piledriver wrote:

chriswillrise wrote: i would love to have all that, i almost sold my msd 6btm so i could get a programmable msd box but i honestly have no idea how to make timing curves and all the other stuff that goes along with it

Its actually trivial, maybe too easy... but you will have lots of help from folks that have BTDT.

MS3 has an optional dual channel knock module that seems to work, can provide per-cylinder retard.
On MS2 you can use something like a J&S Safegaurd for external knock sensing/control (and send the signal to the MS2 so it can be logged)
A std 'box" style MS2 can become an MS3, but then you are (to some extent) wasting the MS2 card.(depends on what you can resell it for)
If you go there, even if you don't go MS3 straight up, get it with an MS3 box instead.

A full up MS3 + MS3X system would be kinda silly to use ignition only, but you could sneak up on it to some extent with smaller incremental wallet hits.

im just reading up on it on diyautotune.com and it seems comfusing, im more of a hands on guy to learn. Me and a buddy have been thinking of tossing just a cheap 1600dp EFI just to play with it and start learning a bit. I might end up doing that before one goes on my car.

the ms3 box is only 550 bucks, i can probably sell my btm box for 250ish and i was going to buy the programmable msd for 400ish should i just fork up the extra dough for the ms3? I dont know how much extra stuff i would need along with the box. Could i use the ms3 for ignition, boost, meth control?