New guy, new build

[Clonebug]

MS can do ignition, injection, per cylinder sequential if wanted......boost control, launch control, flat shift, water injection, traction control and a whole host of other things if you want to wire it in and/or add the features to the ECU.
Add a crank fire ignition and injectors and you are ready to go.

It's not quite that simple but if you know how to run a computer you can pretty well tune an engine.
It's kind of learn as you go. Start with a safe tune and tweak it tighter and tighter.

[Piledriver]

Could i use the ms3 for ignition, boost, meth control?

An MS1 is capable of all that, although the ease of use/setup/capabilities aren't great...
It can grow into a full boogie MS3 setup later.
(although I personally have never used MS1, but it would just run your ignition/boost control/spray control fine as a starting setup)

Also, a Microsquirt v3 (MS2-based) should be considered, as its perfectly capable of all you ask, and is $369 WITH THE WIRING HARNESS., is fully sealable, and uses AMPSEAL connectors... great for off road etc, or even mounting in the engine compartment...
... but it is what it is: it's not upgradable beyond having someone install a second pair of injector drivers or such. (SMD work, not really DIY) It will never grow up to be an MS3

That $550 is a basic MS3, and yes, its perfectly capable of that and much more, but that price gets you the base unit, with the box, a mainboard and a MS3 daughterboard. It can run batch fuel and fire a single coil/distributor setup as std, although I suspect very few actually run that setup, as you might as well run MS2.

You can run a car with that with some trivial add ons, and it can certainly be set up to run a logic-level waste spark coil, but the MS3 is modular, meant to take an MS3X for (almost) all the I/O (it also fits in the box) , that's another $105, plus you probably want the knock module (mo money) and probably a real time clock module so the times on your SD card logs are sane. (mo money again, although the RTC can unofficially be done for ~$10.)

The MS3x has 8 injector outs, 8 logic level coil drivers, and a bunch of other goesintas and goesoutas.
It also requires a second harness for all that stuff to connect to the world.

[chriswillrise]

ill definitely look into all of the options above and do some more research. The car isnt driving yet but im sure i will be changing stuff up fairly soon because I like to work on my cars and get bored with them if i dont haha.

I just need to do some research. I want to find someone down in san diego that runs EFI i can take a peek at there car

[Clonebug]

Email Mario at thedubshop.net. He might know someone down there running an MS system.
Here is his webpage.

http://www.thedubshop.net/

It doesn't matter if it is MS-1, MS-2 or MS-3 and the derivatives of those. They are the same principal and all use TunerStudio to tune and log.
The MS is worth it alone in logging capabilities. You can log any sensor you install.

[Piledriver]

I can no longer imagine tuning anything without good datalogging, esp a turbo motor.
Seems a lot easier/faster/cheaper than tuning via the post mortem of an engine failure.

[chriswillrise]

Just a quick update.
car is about 98% done
took it for its maiden voyage yesterday and it runs pretty good. A lot quicker than i expected even being easy on it

only thing i dont like is it doesnt like to idle below 1200 rpm. Sounds super lumpy and on the verge of dying like i have a huge cam, which i dont

[madmike]

Does it idle without an air cleaner?

[chriswillrise]

Does it idle without an air cleaner?

it idles pretty much the same with or without the cleaner. Real lumpy below 1100-1200 rpm

[Chip Birks]

Have you messed with jetting at all? May be drowning down low till that throttle plate is open.

[chriswillrise]

Have you messed with jetting at all? May be drowning down low till that throttle plate is open.

well i dont have any jets. my idle needles are 1 1/2 turns out and is i close them up any more the car dies. so i figured that was on the lean side. went 2 turns out with no change

[Buggsy]

Jumping back to the deep oil sump topic, you could use an Accusump as an alternative. The autocross guys have been using them on just about everything for forty years now with great success. Tap in to the main oil gallery where you usually tap in a remote filter.

[chriswillrise]

Jumping back to the deep oil sump topic, you could use an Accusump as an alternative. The autocross guys have been using them on just about everything for forty years now with great success. Tap in to the main oil gallery where you usually tap in a remote filter.

thanks! that thing is actually a perfect solution. Pricey but worth the money to save the motor if it came to that. I actally raised the car up a bit ( spring plates with no load were -3 degrees and raised them to 8 degrees) so i might try a 1.5qt berg sump my buddy has at his shop and look at the ground clearance i have.

[Piledriver]

Ask Steve Ardnt about his accusump before getting too joyous.
More stuff/more to break.
I'd dry sump it first, the only thing I'd use an accusump for is pre oiling, and there are cheaper and more reliable ways to do that. (think pump)

[Buggsy]

I don't know how you could get any more reliable than an Accusump. One moving part, one hose. And if it does stick or something, the engine still has full oil pressure, just has an extra quart or two of oil in the sump, depending on what model you buy. A dry sump is great, if you have the room, three times the investment, three times the hoses to blow, a pump to fail, more weight. Just fine, if that is what you really want.
Some people mess up with the Accusump by adding mechanical or electric valving to the inlet so they can preoil before they start the engine. An engine this small doesn't need preoiling. Keep it simple with a direct unvalved hose to the oil gallery, set the air pressure correctly, and your set.

[Piledriver]

Steve has recited a litany of horrors with the ones he had.
Try searching. Theoretical and actual reliability may differ hugely based on poor design and QC.
Some people can break a bowling ball in a rubber room, but he's not one of those, he's a good wrench.
The accusumps he had just had serious issues in daily use.

I'd build one out of an old Fox or Bilstein IFP shock before buying an actual Accusump, you'd have much better quality unit, as the design is so much better--probably cheaper too, and DIY rebuildable with commonly available parts.
Heck, you can buy 2.5 or 3.0 Fox parts off the shelf cheap as you only need the tube, IFP and ends... and those can be made.

Hmm...I might have to build one if it keeps raining here.

Might be a good use for a couple low mile KYBs I have, after seeing how they are built I'll never buy one again.
The front pair became reservoirs for my new front Bilsteins. (needed shorter shocks with full travel)

I want a pre-oiler setup, as I expect >400K miles out of my engines before opening the bottom end.
Probably not happening with any T1 with a mag block.