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are these the stock 412 manifolds i need for my t4 in a t3 conversion? thanks

Never seen any. Didn't all the 412s sold North America come with fuel injection?

one of my 412's has carbs on it and those ( the ones pictured) are the same manifolds.

yeah, the 412's sold in N. America were FI but the euro ones were carb'd. I was just making sure these were the stock 412 manifolds, accordng to tuna's website these should fit under my decklid in my 68 square. anyone else's input??

thanks

I could be wrong, but those look like the ones from a Bus or a 411/412 sedan. The ones you need are from a 411/412 Wagon (Variant). They are tough to find, but they are much shorter than the sedan ones.

Tuna

The north american cars sold in '74 were carb'd, but the earlier ones were fuel injected... kinda weird if you think about it...

Mine all originally had FI. The '74 2dr. sedans even still had D-Jet/1700cc. The wagons and 4drs had L-Jet/1800cc for '74. I believe, it did indeed vary from market to market which cars had what on what years, with some markets getting carbs on the late cars. From the options list on type4.org, it looks like it may have been possible to specify carburetors until '73, though? Was this possible in the U.S.?

From type4.org:

599 |Carburated engine| until 7/73

Tuna is right: those pictured are not the low ones from a 412 with the 1,8 ltr euro engine.
Those are Bus T2 indeed and don't fit squarebacks or type 3's.

There were no carbed type 4 vehicles shipped to the United States...unless they were "grey-market". There were carbed 411/412's there were shipped to Canada. It was a mix or a specific point in time change.
All of the 412's in USA came with FI...as they could not meet emmissions without. Ray

There is a pair advertised on The Samba...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=449125

I'm confused the ad above is where i got the manifolds from, so will they work on my t4 in a t3 conversion??

Those look like shorter ones to me. I have two pairs of them for sale and I´ve never seen any shorter than those.

I had longer ones in AP 1800 engine, which originally has been in the bus. Here´s the pictures:

It seems like there is 3 types of manifolds available. In the AP engine I had extra long manifolds, which has a vacuum line under the carbs.

But I found yesterday that I have two types of shorty manifolds. Those are easy to identify as you see in these pictures.





So when looking at the picture on the top of this topic; those are not the shortest ones, but not the longest ones either.

I found a pair of the tall bus manifolds. Here are the tallest and shortest ones in the picture.

So I've been recently thinking about building up my spare type-4 engine to put into my '68 type-3 fastback, and I too am now interested in finding a pair of these short manifolds.

Obvioulsy it will be hard to find these in North America (even Canada, as most were F.I. here too), so where would the best place to be to search for these?

Travis