Thought this was worth mentioning-N.O.S. 4 speed transaxle

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:19 pm

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=522240

Interesting item to have...

I have three spare 4 speed transaxles just outside of the cars I own, so it doesn't interest me that much on the practical side, but on the Type 4 collecting cool factor side...

tuna · Post by **tuna** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:46 pm

Wow, that would be welcome in any Type 4 collector's stash.

Tuna

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:38 am

Whats the cost and condition? Which model is it? There were several varitions. If it was early...its still great...but less desirable.

Knowing what I know now...having a brand new one....I would still install several mods to it before putting a single mile on it to insure a very long life. Ray

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:13 am

Were there two versions or more than two versions? I know there was an earlier one with the smaller slave cylinder, but virtually none of those came to these shores, right?

If I were a betting man, I would bet that the seller wants a fortune. Is there a market though? Shoot, there was an NOS dash on ebay for fairly big $$$ that I don't think sold (Were there even any bids?), and most Type 4's need one!

tuna · Post by **tuna** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:45 am

Unfortunately, too many people equate scarcity with high value. They think "this is a rare find, so I'm going to get rich on it", but the reality is, the demand for Type 4 parts isn't high. Split/Oval parts are in high demand and people are willing to pay exorbitant amounts for them, but that is not the case with the Type 4.

It's too bad, but as long as we Type 4 people don't pay their exorbitant prices, hopefully they will quit trying to get rich off of us and move back to early Bugs, early Busses, and Notches.

Tuna

wildthings · Post by **wildthings** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:03 pm

Actually having people trying to make us pay exorbitant prices is good in a way. High prices encourage people to find or make the rare parts that we need to keep these things going. Of course I want someone else to pay the high prices while I get deals.

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:08 pm

There were to main variations. The early 19mm slave and the late 44mm slave models. But....there was an internal design variant that came in the very last small cylinder models and possibly the earliest 44mm slave models. That being that the synchro configuration of one of the gears changed. It had an extra synchro ring. I have seen one I think.

The odd thing is...that I have had in my hands...roughly 8 4 speeds over the years. Two of them were the 19mm slave models. I know where one more is sitting on a shelf....in a defunct wrecking yard. Ray

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:38 am

raygreenwood wrote: But....there was an internal design variant that came in the very last small cylinder models and possibly the earliest 44mm slave models. That being that the synchro configuration of one of the gears changed. It had an extra synchro ring. I have seen one I think.

Don't you confuse the above with the improved synchro design of second gear in the last ('74) model year?

Speaking of exorbitant prices (this is for a master brake cylinder)....:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0189182474

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:30 am

Yes....thanks Wally, that is probably the change I was speaking of and it was an improvement.
It must be the same change. I have never seen a 004 four speed from a 1974. The latest one I have personally seen is an october of 72.

There was a different synchro ring set-up in the very earliest that came over here....like 70-71. They two I have seen all had the small 19mm slave and early bell housing. Its possible that from that point on they were all improved versions. The change we are speaking of is the same.....that being adding an extra synchro ring to second gear. Ray

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:11 pm

Alright, all I can say is that it really does shift remarkable well into second in all circumstances, even when very cold.
I have a spare '74 4-speed from the 2-door I dismantled

Bill K. · Post by **Bill K.** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:51 pm

Can gearing be changed in the 004? If so, why and how?

func412 · Post by **func412** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:09 am

Here´s some info about 004 factory gears: http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic ... c&start=15

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func412 wrote:Ok, now I have some new information found by a member of FVWA (Finnish Volkswagen Association).

Source: http://www.suomenvolkkariyhdistys.fi/ke ... 6489#46489

I´ll translate this for you:

"Type 4 Variant has always had 3,91 final drive (toothed 11/43), as well as the limousine years -71 and -72 until may or june (there is some dissimilair information available from different sources about the month). The transmission code is FC.

Limousines -69 and -70 came with 3,73 final drive (toothed 11/41) with transmission code FA and after may/june -72 was the final drive also 3,73 in transmission coded FB.

In addition to these transmissions there has been a special transmission fon Variant coded FE which is toothed 10/39, so the final drive is almost the same as other Variant transmissions (3,90)."

Bill K. · Post by **Bill K.** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:11 am

How would the different drive ratios be characterized in terms of driveability? How noticable would the differences be if powered by a 2056?

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:43 pm

It should be great. Remember that the original 1.7 was all torque down low. The gearing...especially the final drive ratio was very well suited to teh powerband of the engine. Unlike the relatively gutless factory variats of the type 1 engine (save for that in th type 3 whose automatic had roughly the same final drive as the type 004)....the type 4 had the torque off the line to be able to use nice high gear ratios. It makes for getting off the line very quickly. Ry

Bill K. · Post by **Bill K.** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:12 pm

Ray, I'm interested in whether the different 004 final drive ratios (3.90, 3.91, 3.73) are noticable and what would be best suited for a 2056 T4 D-Jet motor if a 004 trans rebuild is planned.