I need to get a good title card plus serial Vin number plate for a
1974 VW Thing. So if any of you have a donor car with a good
title I would like to hear from you.
Contact me at old-dude@comcast.net
Dick
Need title card
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david58
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Re: Need title card
We can't help you there buddy it is illegal.rde wrote:I need to get a good title card plus serial Vin number plate for a
1974 VW Thing. So if any of you have a donor car with a good
title I would like to hear from you.
Contact me at old-dude@comcast.net
Dick
But other wise welcome to the STF.Hot, humid air is less dense than cooler, drier air. This can allow a golf ball to fly through the air with greater ease, as there won't be as much resistance on the ball.
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Lets start with the fact I own my own cars groups, mod on a few and belong to more than I can remember, and have been wrenching stuff long enough, so I am not some green newbie here
david58 when you made your statement that was your OPINION not documented fact then you locked down my thread so as no one could question your opinion or prove it to the contrary that is a shining example of what we as forum mods must avoid and that is abuse of our powers,
We have to accept that getting in the last word doesn't make us right everytime.
Now if you are an open minded fair person you will rethink this if you are one of the many ego junkies that use a forum they mod on to play dictator then your next step will be to threaten to ban me after you remove this post,
I posted the very same question on the Big Thesamba group and the opinions are opposite of yours, they feel a Title of a car that old goes with the pan/chassis but no mods feel the need to lock the thread down,
Monday I will call my DMV and find out the actual facts and I believe that no matter which way it goes in the interest of fairness and keeping the records straight you should allow me to post what I learn from the DMV,
I hope you are a fair person,
Thanks
Cheers,
P.
david58 when you made your statement that was your OPINION not documented fact then you locked down my thread so as no one could question your opinion or prove it to the contrary that is a shining example of what we as forum mods must avoid and that is abuse of our powers,
We have to accept that getting in the last word doesn't make us right everytime.
Now if you are an open minded fair person you will rethink this if you are one of the many ego junkies that use a forum they mod on to play dictator then your next step will be to threaten to ban me after you remove this post,
I posted the very same question on the Big Thesamba group and the opinions are opposite of yours, they feel a Title of a car that old goes with the pan/chassis but no mods feel the need to lock the thread down,
Monday I will call my DMV and find out the actual facts and I believe that no matter which way it goes in the interest of fairness and keeping the records straight you should allow me to post what I learn from the DMV,
I hope you are a fair person,
Thanks
Cheers,
P.
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I am going to unlock the other thread so you can post what you find out. Post both places, so we all get an education. Please respect the fact that david58 is trying to do his job here and keep with STF's charter of doing or supporting nothing that is illegal, immoral or unethical. Clearly, this whole passing around titles business is a shaky area. It's the way our cars get stolen. I suspect the laws are state by state. I believe most states have procedures to retitle cars without a good title. Let's find out. STF will support what is legal. Won't support what's not
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http://www.vesc.org/Media/VESC%20V-18%2 ... TDATED.pdf
This is a real gray area in florida where The13bats hails from you can't even title a rail from the discussion on The Samba. I don't have the link handy, but will see if I can find it.
If I am wrong so be it. Like doc said I am just trying to do my job.
Here is the link
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewto ... rida+title
Hot, humid air is less dense than cooler, drier air. This can allow a golf ball to fly through the air with greater ease, as there won't be as much resistance on the ball.
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Let me start by saying I am relieved that this group is ran with a fair and open minded approach. 
I want to also give a big thanks to Doc for unlocking my thread,
I most certainly do respect what any forum mod does and as I said before as a group owner and mod myself we do have to strive not to get caught up in the power and ego trip and be open to all opinions not just our own on any subject,
I run my stuff not as a "job" but rather my way of giving back to the hobby that has been such a large part of my life.
When David58 stated his opinion then locked my thread it could very well give a person the idea that I am trying to break the law which is not the case,
It also prevented anyone from posting the facts on this issue, so for many reasons it wasn't fair.
My case is not like the fellow seeking a title and VIN cut from a Pan, I believe that we all agree that is illegal,
I have a full chassis/pan and it has it's title and the screen shot David58 posted goes on to show that in my case this is indeed legal,
The title I have is signed off by the last owner but not in my name so I will call my DMV and get the facts, the lady who handles this knows me pretty well after all the kit cars I have ran thru here and I will post what she tells me here so we will all know but I do believe with all the information at hand this is legal, I also believe that it will vary by state and even what clerk you get.
In my case the very worse scenario is my chassis is sold with no title.
So again I want to thank all concerned for being open minded on this subject.
Now on a lighter note,
While it seems to be well taken care of If you need Mod help on your Kit car section I would be more than happy to volunteer,
Kit cars are at the risk of sounding pompous where my real expertise is, I guess you could say I am a VW fan by default,
In the last 30 or so years I have owned and worked on many of what I call "Grass roots kit cars"
Here is my Laser 917
Thanks for all,
Cheers,
Paul
I want to also give a big thanks to Doc for unlocking my thread,
I most certainly do respect what any forum mod does and as I said before as a group owner and mod myself we do have to strive not to get caught up in the power and ego trip and be open to all opinions not just our own on any subject,
I run my stuff not as a "job" but rather my way of giving back to the hobby that has been such a large part of my life.
When David58 stated his opinion then locked my thread it could very well give a person the idea that I am trying to break the law which is not the case,
It also prevented anyone from posting the facts on this issue, so for many reasons it wasn't fair.
My case is not like the fellow seeking a title and VIN cut from a Pan, I believe that we all agree that is illegal,
I have a full chassis/pan and it has it's title and the screen shot David58 posted goes on to show that in my case this is indeed legal,
The title I have is signed off by the last owner but not in my name so I will call my DMV and get the facts, the lady who handles this knows me pretty well after all the kit cars I have ran thru here and I will post what she tells me here so we will all know but I do believe with all the information at hand this is legal, I also believe that it will vary by state and even what clerk you get.
In my case the very worse scenario is my chassis is sold with no title.
So again I want to thank all concerned for being open minded on this subject.
Now on a lighter note,
While it seems to be well taken care of If you need Mod help on your Kit car section I would be more than happy to volunteer,
Kit cars are at the risk of sounding pompous where my real expertise is, I guess you could say I am a VW fan by default,
In the last 30 or so years I have owned and worked on many of what I call "Grass roots kit cars"
Here is my Laser 917
Thanks for all,
Cheers,
Paul
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Paul.
Finally had time to read this thread.
OVERALL... the vin is issued to the physical car. Reading the DOT stuff, they are not to be moved or swapped.
The gray area is where states issue a "manufactured" title with a state issued vin number. This is hit and miss of what states will accept them and which ones will want to inspect and issue a new one when the car enters the state.
There are a few work arounds.
1-Ask the DMV to let you post a bond for a new "lost" title (states have different rules)
2-Apply for a new issued State Title
3-Physically transplant the body to a new chassis (this is 50/50 to what states allow this).
4-Broadway title... this is kind of a shady way to do the title.. I'm unsure how ethical their setup is.
I've not run into a State Highway Patrol officer who let a car slide with a chassis vin transplanted.
I went on a mad investigation of this for a few years..
Reading through the regs.. once a buggy or kit car is created from old parts... the vins are to be surrendered, the car inspected and a specialty constructed title is to be issued. Reasoning was that the initial DOT inspected intent of the car was altered.
T.
Finally had time to read this thread.
OVERALL... the vin is issued to the physical car. Reading the DOT stuff, they are not to be moved or swapped.
The gray area is where states issue a "manufactured" title with a state issued vin number. This is hit and miss of what states will accept them and which ones will want to inspect and issue a new one when the car enters the state.
There are a few work arounds.
1-Ask the DMV to let you post a bond for a new "lost" title (states have different rules)
2-Apply for a new issued State Title
3-Physically transplant the body to a new chassis (this is 50/50 to what states allow this).
4-Broadway title... this is kind of a shady way to do the title.. I'm unsure how ethical their setup is.
I've not run into a State Highway Patrol officer who let a car slide with a chassis vin transplanted.
I went on a mad investigation of this for a few years..
Reading through the regs.. once a buggy or kit car is created from old parts... the vins are to be surrendered, the car inspected and a specialty constructed title is to be issued. Reasoning was that the initial DOT inspected intent of the car was altered.
T.
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Yikes, you researched this topic for years???
I will make a phone call,
I have not had time to call my lady who handles all the title oddities for FL as my wife was on her Xmas break and I wasn't thinking about car junk,
I will give Deborah a call and see what is what for my state of FL as that is where I live and what I care about, actually this subject is more import to the buyer of this chassis
This topics answer does vary by state but with what homework I have done so far it would appear that a 1962 ( year matters to some ) chassis with a matching title is legal,
Long story short the worse is I sell this boat anchor without the title, there done.
I will make a phone call,
I have not had time to call my lady who handles all the title oddities for FL as my wife was on her Xmas break and I wasn't thinking about car junk,
I will give Deborah a call and see what is what for my state of FL as that is where I live and what I care about, actually this subject is more import to the buyer of this chassis
This topics answer does vary by state but with what homework I have done so far it would appear that a 1962 ( year matters to some ) chassis with a matching title is legal,
Long story short the worse is I sell this boat anchor without the title, there done.
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All this points to the usual "buyer beware" advice. 13bats deal seems to be straight up and I thank him for his candor and continuing participation in the discussion. But clearly, if you are buying only part of a car with the title, you need to do the homework where you live about what will be legal and acceptable. You also need to think that someday you may want to sell the car and this same subject is likely to come up again. So, like all our purchases, even from honest folks who you know - BUYER BEWARE.
doc
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The13bats
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Airhead, thanks but this is getting way too convoluted for my little brain
Basically the main topic of my post was centered on was is it "legal" for me to sell a complete chassis with it's matching title, or do I toss the title selling just the chassis stand alone, when we enter other situations not related to mine into this mix it just confuses things.
I will have FL's answer in a day or two, each state will sadly have a different answer, we need a nation wide symmetry to how the DMV handles titles but that is not the case
Basically the main topic of my post was centered on was is it "legal" for me to sell a complete chassis with it's matching title, or do I toss the title selling just the chassis stand alone, when we enter other situations not related to mine into this mix it just confuses things.
I will have FL's answer in a day or two, each state will sadly have a different answer, we need a nation wide symmetry to how the DMV handles titles but that is not the case
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Florida is one of the tougher ones to get cars into because they're a physical inspection state.
There is a work around for Florida... took me about 4 hours to figure it out.
In the past.. I have sold titled pans to people I know and trust. They bring their untitled pan and I hand it over to the scrap guy (after the good parts are scrapped off).
Unfortunatley title flipping is one of those tougher topics.
Tim
There is a work around for Florida... took me about 4 hours to figure it out.
In the past.. I have sold titled pans to people I know and trust. They bring their untitled pan and I hand it over to the scrap guy (after the good parts are scrapped off).
Unfortunatley title flipping is one of those tougher topics.
Tim
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There is no straight and cut and dried answer for the title issues.. the documented rules confict. There are honest ways to navigate the system.
Basic Rules
I've titled stuff for folks just to learn another way to do it.
probably the biggest badge of VIN success was getting a rail titled with a 1974 date in 2004.. and no my paper/plates do not say VW.. and yes.. my collectors car insurance company accepted it.
Morbid, obsessed or bored... not sure which one it was....
Basic Rules
- full disclosure
documentation (paper and photos)
VIN surrenduring if necessary
not cut, alter or transplant a hump stamped vin.
I've titled stuff for folks just to learn another way to do it.
probably the biggest badge of VIN success was getting a rail titled with a 1974 date in 2004.. and no my paper/plates do not say VW.. and yes.. my collectors car insurance company accepted it.
Morbid, obsessed or bored... not sure which one it was....