Check ebay.de for those parts if you cannot find them from Norway. They are for sale there all the time. In a 411/412 the reflector and glas for the front lights are glued together and cannot be easily separated, so i guess it's easier to buy the whole assembly (and i'm not sure if you could buy only the refelector anyway). I've bought both front lights and indicators form finnish VW-sites. Usually nobody sells these, but put a wanted-ad on your local vw-pages, and i'm pretty sure somebody has a pair they can sell for you. Your indicator lenses were blackened, right? Have you tried if you could dissolve the black paint with some solvent? Brakefluid perhaps? Atleast lots of miniature modelers use brakefluid to remove old paint from plastic parts. Modelers use also some domestic pipe cleaners to remove paint, but i haven't got any experiences of these methods.
I do not know what laws you have pertaining to lighting products but the Hella H-4 high/low combinations for the outside with a 55/65 low high beam....and HB-2 Hella 100W inner single high beams drop right in. I can give you part #'s tommorrow. These are lead crystal sealed units with replaceable lamps (from the back). Worth every penny. Ray
i have on my 412-73 one set of ,,bmw,, hy and low beam,, they name that ,,hallogen seal-beam,, made by ,,sylvania,, you can find that in your local car shop,,but they are appx,,40.$ each,,55/65 watts
raygreenwood wrote:I do not know what laws you have pertaining to lighting products but the Hella H-4 high/low combinations for the outside with a 55/65 low high beam....and HB-2 Hella 100W inner single high beams drop right in. I can give you part #'s tommorrow. These are lead crystal sealed units with replaceable lamps (from the back). Worth every penny. Ray
Partnumbers are greatly appreciated!
albert wrote:i have on my 412-73 one set of ,,bmw,, hy and low beam,, they name that ,,hallogen seal-beam,, made by ,,sylvania,, you can find that in your local car shop,,but they are appx,,40.$ each,,55/65 watts
Lahti411 wrote:Check ebay.de for those parts if you cannot find them from Norway. They are for sale there all the time. In a 411/412 the reflector and glas for the front lights are glued together and cannot be easily separated, so i guess it's easier to buy the whole assembly (and i'm not sure if you could buy only the refelector anyway). I've bought both front lights and indicators form finnish VW-sites. Usually nobody sells these, but put a wanted-ad on your local vw-pages, and i'm pretty sure somebody has a pair they can sell for you. Your indicator lenses were blackened, right? Have you tried if you could dissolve the black paint with some solvent? Brakefluid perhaps? Atleast lots of miniature modelers use brakefluid to remove old paint from plastic parts. Modelers use also some domestic pipe cleaners to remove paint, but i haven't got any experiences of these methods.
I think this solution a way too expensive... (Think about shipping to Norway)
If you go to "Mekonome" they have the same lamp, only fitted with H4 bulbs instead of original H1. Use them as the outer lamp, and wire them so only outer lamps work as running lamps. Then you could have four lamps wired at "high".....
When you use The standard H-4's all four lights come on during high beams with no wiring mods on 411/412.
In my 412...that means that during low beam the outer 55 watt beams are on only.
During high beam, the outer 65 watt and inner 100 watts are on.
Actually I finally went to 70/100's outer with 100 inners. I ran an extra pair of wires and split them off with a spare relay. It was very simple and does nothing to the original wiring except behind teh fuse panel. Ray
Hulken wrote:If you go to "Mekonome" they have the same lamp, only fitted with H4 bulbs instead of original H1. Use them as the outer lamp, and wire them so only outer lamps work as running lamps. Then you could have four lamps wired at "high".....
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raygreenwood wrote:When you use The standard H-4's all four lights come on during high beams with no wiring mods on 411/412.
In my 412...that means that during low beam the outer 55 watt beams are on only.
During high beam, the outer 65 watt and inner 100 watts are on.
Actually I finally went to 70/100's outer with 100 inners. I ran an extra pair of wires and split them off with a spare relay. It was very simple and does nothing to the original wiring except behind teh fuse panel. Ray
I have no clue what so ever what you just said, this is obviously not my area. But, as The Hulk just mentioned, I can just pick up some H4's for alle four lamps? But my problem was that the reflector for the inner lamp is gone black, which will fail my EU-controll which we have here in Norway. Are both of you saying that the reflector/cup behind the bulb is included when I buy the H4 bulbs?
raygreenwood wrote:When you use The standard H-4's all four lights come on during high beams with no wiring mods on 411/412.
In my 412...that means that during low beam the outer 55 watt beams are on only.
During high beam, the outer 65 watt and inner 100 watts are on.
Actually I finally went to 70/100's outer with 100 inners. I ran an extra pair of wires and split them off with a spare relay. It was very simple and does nothing to the original wiring except behind teh fuse panel. Ray
I think I've got it, I will also do the diagonal measures this saturday and double check for BMW's lamps for their E-30 modelm and see if they match. I'll just pick some up from the scrapyard. Thanks guys.
Haz....In US vehicles, on low beam...only the outer pair of lights come on. The stock lighting wattage in low beam is 55 watts each. When you click the lever and turn on the high beams....all four lights come on.
But....the outer lamps have DUAL filaments in the lamps. So....when you click onto high beams.....the outer pair of lamps shut of their 55 watt filaments and turn on their 65 watt filamnets. The inner pair of lamps (for high beam only) have a single filament that is either 65 or 75 watts.
On American spec vehicles it is not possible (without wiring changes) to install H-4's in all four positions. The outer pair of dual filament lamps have a 3 terminal plug and the inner ones for high beam have only two terminals.
How is yours wired?
What I was saying....is that within reason...you do not have to stay with the stock wattage combination of the outer dual dual filament bulbs. You can safely move from the 55/65 watt combination to a 65/75 watt combination. You can also go to 100 watt lamps for the inner high beam pair.
Iwould suggest inspecting your wiring arrangement before buying anything.
If you want to go to higher wattage on the outer pair of dual filament lamps you may need to run some stronger wires to the relay. Ray
Thats interesting Ray that the US spec lights on the 412 use dual filament outer lights so all 4 come on when on main beam.
My UK spec 412 has single filament on all 4 so that on main beam only the inner pair come on and the outer pair switch to sidelights.
Might need to invest in a relay setup to rewire them so that all 4 stay on for main beam or see if there is a dual filament bulb to replace the outer one and go from there
(Think about shipping to Norway)
