Turbo WBX in a beetle

[CALIvwgeek]

I would like to put a turbo water boxer in my 70 beetle with a minimum (or no) cutting.

My goal is about 210 horsepower, and to build the engine over time.
I have access to a VW junkyard-err heaven in my area- I was thinking of sourcing parts there.

Any tips/things I should consider?
How long would a WBX last compared to an AC?

If anyone has some builds in mind please let me know,
Thanks guys.

[CALIvwgeek]

I take that back, more like 180hp.

Is that do able? Turbo or not.

[tencentlife]

Boosted? yes, easily.

NA? Hmmm, a bit more challenging. How high are you willing to rev to get that?

[CALIvwgeek]

Yeah I was thinking of boost
The only thing that I am worried about is this, I can get the WBX stock no problem, and I already came to grips with a small cut to put my rad up front, but the big thing that I don't know about is the turbo header itself, and other turbo related mods that I will have to do.

I am working on a budget, the WBX is likely coming outta a local junkyard if this is the route that I take.

Its really up in the air right now.

[CALIvwgeek]

I was thinking that maybe the oxymight be better, cheaper and more durable.
170 on a beefy oxyboxer seems like (since it uses type 1 parts) seems much more doable than on the the wasser.

Any thoughts?

[Stripped66]

I was thinking that maybe the oxymight be better, cheaper and more durable.
170 on a beefy oxyboxer seems like (since it uses type 1 parts) seems much more doable than on the the wasser.

Any thoughts?

Sorry, but an oxyboxer conversion is not cheap. Personally, I'd pursue the turbo WBX route. I've definitely been considering that route more and more...

[fastback]

i asume u have the US "low compresiion" version of the 2,1 on hand.
these can easily be turbo converted , using stock internals , u can do moderate boost levels.
done 2 of those engines (MV) , 1 running regular gas and the other on E-85
the E85 had around 280 engine hp. stock engine , T3/T4 hybrid turbo.
they are pretty knock resistant , but be careful with ignition timing as the pistons are cast , and do not hold up so long when knock/ping occurs.

[tencentlife]

Definitely, for boost on a budget, stick with a wbx. The base engine is already very stout. Watercooling lets you have accurate combustion temp control which is important for consistent tuning.

Fastback, have you ever worked out a way to have knock-sensing?

[fastback]

Fastback, have you ever worked out a way to have knock-sensing?

no i have not done anything on that (yet)
only done the trial and error route by having a couple of pistons dead and gone.

[CALIvwgeek]

I can afford the 1.9, a rebuilt long block that is.
How much of a hassle would it be to install?
How much power does a 1.9 put down stock?

[Barry]

A bloke called Steve Cater did a 2.1L turbo in his 1302

http://www.clubvw.org.au/steve.htm

Contact hine through Club Vee Dub Sydney
http://www.clubvw.org.au/

or http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/
1303steve

[CALIvwgeek]

Where would you stick the rad with out looking... silly with the holes in the front?

[CALIvwgeek]

i asume u have the US "low compresiion" version of the 2,1 on hand.
these can easily be turbo converted , using stock internals , u can do moderate boost levels.
done 2 of those engines (MV) , 1 running regular gas and the other on E-85
the E85 had around 280 engine hp. stock engine , T3/T4 hybrid turbo.
they are pretty knock resistant , but be careful with ignition timing as the pistons are cast , and do not hold up so long when knock/ping occurs.

So... how about this
If I was to get my hands on the 2.1, run the rad and everything.
And then buy some good guts for the thing, good cam and all (type one works with it right- just some minor mods- I'm guessing)

Was that 280 to the wheels or crank?
What about a 2161 stroke out- since they are a 2110.

[Piledriver]

Marco was getting ~400HP on an almost stock internal boosted WBX 2.1...
(IIRC)

I'd go with rebushed SCAT I beams with 3/8" ARP2000 bolts tho, the stock rods BE don't hold up that great on a stock 2.1.

His newer killer motor had custom ross pistons and heavily reworked heads, should be able to find the details here in the forums.
Made stupid power.

[CALIvwgeek]

Marco was getting ~400HP on an almost stock internal boosted WBX 2.1...
(IIRC)

I'd go with rebushed SCAT I beams with 3/8" ARP2000 bolts tho, the stock rods BE don't hold up that great on a stock 2.1.

His newer killer motor had custom ross pistons and heavily reworked heads, should be able to find the details here in the forums.
Made stupid power.

Holy cow, that is like 500 to the crank.

If I could get 260 to the wheels that would shut me up.
The conversion doesn't look like its too bad.
I assume that the cams work from a T1?
Do you have to adjust heads on these buggers all the time?
Would a T1 head person be able to work on the T5?
How about the turbo set ups for these things- I can use any turbo I want now thanks to the addition of water WRX turbos here I come!