COP's on MS II ?

[Hummel]

Hello STF.

I'm brand new to this Forum, and Brand new on Electronic ignition and injection. But I have to start one place, right?
English is not my mother language, so please have mercy with me.

I've bought a complete MS II kit, used. Box is complete, Edis, Coil, Vr sensor, triggerwheel, throttlebody, wire harness, etc.

My First plan is to get the ignition part to work. My engine is a 2413cc Type 4, upright cooling, IDA's, and placed in my 1303 74'

It's important to me that the electronic is hide away as far as possible, therefor I think the COP's will be awesome to use, instead of the big Ford Coil. But can EDIS run COP's ? And what about the MS II ??

Second Question. I planning to but the trigger wheel behind the power pulley, the pulley and trigger wheel is same diameter, can i place the sensor in the area where i belt is running ? 3-9 O'clock or is that a bad idea??

Hope you can understand what i'm writing, I maybe have alot of questing along the way to get my Beetle electronic controlled

[Dale M.]

WOW, gorgeous bug...

Anyway... Yes you can run COPs with EDIS as wasted spark, or you can eliminate EDIS unit and run COPS direct fire straight from MS II using the EXTRA codes and coil drivers (wasted spark - Spark A and spark B of EXTRA codes) or you can go the ultimate and go sequential (with coil drivers and cam position sensor) ... Only limit is your ingenuity and abilities to make it work...

There is already a few message threads on COPS on forum.... Here is one...

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic ... 3&t=137549

And you English is just fine, probably better than min and its the only language I know (or I think I know) ...

Dale

[Piledriver]

There are many options.

Full sequential fuel and spark can even be done in a ~plug and play these days, or at least w/o mainboard mods. http://msextra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=39273

I like directly controlled GM LS2 coils, you still have plug wires and the coils can be mounted behind the shroud etc, very high power spark and the coils are self protecting, logic driven, have their own high current drivers built in.

To drive them in waste spark mode, the outer LED drivers with a 1Kohm pullup and 2 jumper wires ro route the signal out is all that is required.

I'm running the GM dwell settings (3.7ms) and battery dwell table

VAG vehicles have suitable logic drive COPS but the older ones have reliability (misfire) issues. and cannot compare spark output wise to the ls2 coils, esp vs. truck coils.

[Hummel]

Thank you Dale. I've made it all from the bottom. Porsche brakes, seats and wheels for a proper GermanLook. One thing i would Loove to have is Porsche at back


About MS, This would be my first build, and electronic is not my strongest side, so at first I think wasted spark will work just fine. My plan was to get COP's from a motorcycle (GSXR?), and it sounds like EDIS setup is the easy way to go ? In One of the links is there a drawing of wiring harness with 4 coils and EDIS to controlled it, that look pretty easy, No coils drivers needed if I used EDIS and COP's ??

GM LS2 coils sounds Nice, and would probably be the best way, but in my head waay to complicated yet, maybe next time

Thanks you

Regards Tommy Hummel

[Redline Weber]

The guys at DIY sell the Ford 4.6 COP coil. (IGN-FD)

You can connect two of these, in parallel, just get the + right as marked.

There are pictures, here, of this being down on the Type 1-4 engine.

Lance, BTW your EDIS coil output is 28mj, the FD coil is 46mj.

[Piledriver]

Can the EDIS module deal with the FD coils in parallel?
(direct controlled is no issue, as you can set the dwell as needed)