It Doesn't Get Any Better Than This ...

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It doesn't get any better than this ...

RetroRacing's 1970 Ghia has been accepted by Historic Sportscar Racing (HSR) as a Group 3 car, which means our competition is XKE's and 911's.

If ever there was a put-up or shut-up challenge, this is it.

The '70 Ghia has a lightweight 6-point roll bar (not cage), 4-wheel disk brakes, close ratio gearing, dry-sump, RSR ducktail, Koni shocks, and ATL fuel cell.
It is not a legacy racer, like our Pan Am swing axle, nor a detuned enduro like our Blitzwagen. It brings 11:1 compression, micro-balanced engine parts, Weber
carbs, and Type 1 engine sizes from 1.6 to 2.2 litre to the track. It is a serious sprint car.

#53 debuts this year at a southeastern HSR event.

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I've got a HO scale version of that very car. ;)
Wishing you the best. Sounds like you are going to have your hands full.
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Hi Oz,

Without asking us a thing, the Johnny Lightning toy people copied our Ghia right down to the gunmetal silver, aluminum disk headlight covers, and blacked-out air intakes and released it as a special edition in 2008. That's why the toy has the number 08.

There were some photos of us floating out there on the internet at the time (we'd had the paintjob since 2003) so I figure that's where one of their idea scouts saw us.

I'm not kidding about the HSR Group 3 competition. Bring them on.

This is where we race. This is where they lose!

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FJCamper wrote: The '70 Ghia has a lightweight 6-point roll bar (not cage),

FJC
I'd love to see photos of the roll bar ... I'm considering one for my car as part of the work that Mike at House of Ghia is doing. I don't want to cage it for street / autocross / track day use but I'd like a decent bar as an anchor for the belt system if nothing else. Biggest concern is I'm 6'1" and the seat/roof/bar combo has to clear my helmet ... or the car gets a Gurney bump like the GT40s had ...

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The main hoop has to be behind your head, so it doesn't detract from headroom. Worst case, you could lower the seat below the pan like I did.
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Here is our six-point bolt-in cage. It is legal for us in HSR because in 1972, bolt-in rollbars were legal in SCCA Showroom Stock, and our Ghia was an early Showroom Stocker. HSR largely allows whatever period-correct safety equipment that was used at the time the car was raced. The big exception is usually fuel cells unless you are very important and historic, such as a 1929 Denbeigh Chain-Drive MK II with high-performance metal headbolts. I just never could get the hang of the MK II's wheel bearing adjustments, which was an art form in wooden wedges and masking tape.

The hoop has a diagonal support, which is very important, and the forward brace bars from the hoop are well shaped so as not to be too intrusive to getting in and out of the driver's seat.

Like OneBadBug says, the hoop is behind your helmet, so it isn't in your way. But in a car with a headliner, you might have a problem getting the hoop high enough. We have no headliner in #53, so we're okay.

We bought this roll bar from LoCash Racing back in 2007. http://www.locashracing.com back when they did VW's. Today they are a Ricegrinder shop.

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Do you have more info on your ATL fuel cell? Size, placement, fit issues, pictures?
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The Fuel Cell Rebuild Project

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ABOVE: Installed and race ready. This is a sprint-race cell, because of it's 8-gallon capacity.

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ABOVE: I bought an old, long out-of-date 8-gallon ATL fuel cell (approx 21 x 13 x 9.5 inches) from a friend for $100. The cell was so old
ATL no longer even made the "end-opening" case for it.

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ABOVE: A previous owner had transferred the bladder markings to label tape and just stuck them to the outside end of the "can" as some
of the cool guys call it.

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ABOVE: The original bladder was a folded, glued, or bonded affair, and was coming apart at the corners and edges.

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ABOVE: The replacement "Sportsman" bladder was #MB108 and $350, very strongly molded, not glued and folded. Finding it to be molded,
it suprised me. ATL quotes this from their site:

Q How does ATL stack up against JAZ and RCI fuel cells?
A As of this writing, both JAZ and RCI sell only molded plastic tanks which carry no major approvals or certifications as fuel cells. Their tanks are
equipped with smaller access openings, making it difficult to service the safety foam, clean the tank, or add surge tanks, baffles, pumps and pickups.
Some of the tanks are sold very cheaply, but they do not include the can, foam, or recognized roll-over valve. Yes, these tanks do serve a purpose,
but they are never found in serious championship racing.


We have an RCI (SFI certified) 12-gallon cell in our LeMons SuperBug, which is a steel can with a molded bladder. ATL is specifically saying RCI only
offers molded plastic fuel tanks, which is not true. Sometimes certifications are political, and our RCI cell does not carry an FIA rating. That's why the
8-gallon ATL bladder cost more by itself than the 12-gallon RCI bladder and can. I honestly don't see how the ATL is any safer than the RCI.

We sanded and refinished (brake caliper red enamel) the old 8-gallon ATL can, had a graphics company reproduce the bladder markings in an exactl
copy of the ATL stencil font and applied them to the outside of the can.

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ABOVE: A good strong mounting was accomplished with L-shaped steel supports bolted to the luggage compartment deck to form a bed into
which the can sets, and steel straps to secure the can to the bed. Dual fuel pumps finish off the installation.

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ABOVE: The new ATL 8-gallon Sportsman can would fit was well in a Ghia as our old one. In fact, we have an elevated filler neck on our can
that allows us to have the fuel cap protrude just enough through our hood's Spyder-style refuel port to make it practical.

At Tech, we keep the bladder's dated receipt and certification papers with the car, as the only possible other way to know it is current would be to
pull it out of the can! The install passed Historic Sportscar Racing tech, no problem.

We built the system so it can be unbolted and transferred to our other Ghia when necessary.

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Nice...would love to build an autocross ghia one day.
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I love everything but those deadly plastic fuel filters.
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Hi Newf,

Deadly? If you know something about these, tell us! We use clear plastic so we can see fuel flow, or trapped contaminents.

We have one at the fuel cell, and two on the sides of the fuel pressure regulator in the rear, feeding the carbs.

We know you can overtighten the hose clamps and in the extreme (power tools) deform or even crush the plastic inlet tubes, but if tightened properly, we've never had one leak.

Do you mean the disposable filters we are using, or just plastic filters in general?

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FJCamper wrote:Hi Newf,

Deadly? If you know something about these, tell us! We use clear plastic so we can see fuel flow, or trapped contaminents.

We have one at the fuel cell, and two on the sides of the fuel pressure regulator in the rear, feeding the carbs.

We know you can overtighten the hose clamps and in the extreme (power tools) deform or even crush the plastic inlet tubes, but if tightened properly, we've never had one leak.

Do you mean the disposable filters we are using, or just plastic filters in general?

FJC
The ones I'm refering to look identical to yours.Don't know if they're the same brand, but I have seen TWO serious failures with MANN filters,1 of then catastrophic.The first came "unglued" where the end cap & fitting joins the main body of the filter.It caused an engine ompartment fire that ruined a nice '72 super.The other was made so poorly (thin plastic) that you couldn't tighten the fuel hose properly without it collapsing,so the hose came off & it drained most all of a fuel tank in a guys garage.That's enough for me.Lose the filter sir.
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If you want to see the fuel but have something more substantial then a plastic filter I would go with a glass bowl fuel filter assembly. Some even had a built in FPR.
http://www.rallynuts.com/motorsport-fue ... -bowl.html
Just a though.
Anyways back on track now...
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