Adv to waser conv?

wellington · Post by **wellington** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 9:37 am

I'm do homework to determine my next buid. After you perform the necessary machining on the wasser case, what is the advantage of this over the aftermarket case TF-1? The waser uses expensive bearings, the only obvious adv I see is the flywheel mounting. A stroker crank will no doubt cost the same if I want 82mm.

wellington · Post by **wellington** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:02 am

69 views and no one has an opinion? Is my question so stupid or do people really not see any advantage?

Post by **Piledriver** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:09 pm

OK. It sounds like a troll, that's probably why, I just saw it for the first time, but I realize you probably didn't mean it that way...so...

From _everything_ I have heard the machine work on the aftermarket cases is....Questionable. On a very good day.

The machine work on a wasser case is factory VW quailty, which is usually very good, and these blocks generally hold up very well.

The crank is VERY strong, (T4 center main) and can be simply counterweighted and offset ground to 80mm in the case of a 2.1 (76 stroke/std T1 dia journals, when reducing to a chevy/buick 2.0 inch size/style rod.

Stoking them more requires less welding vs a T1 weld up==stronger end result.

The T4 flywheel attachment improvement is far from a minor thing---Price a flanged crank (+machining +flywheel) lately?

I wonder if the T4 flywheels could go on a wasser crank in a T1 block---should be doable...???
(228 mm vanagon flywl is forged, Kennedy sells a welded center/forged 200)

I think that many folks will search all the info available, and decide that a modified wasser is a far better deal than a aftermarket case, depending on your needs.

$$$ wise it's probably a wash. Quality wise....

YMMV.

I personally am keeping my evil plans water cooled, just because of what I have planned, and the intense desire for heat/AC in Dallas, the latter being hard on any ACVW.
(In a 914, CIS/turbochrged/intercooled, "daily driver" etc)

If I was planning a drag motor, I would not hesitate to hack off the jackets//lifters bush and go 101.6 with aftermarket heads---Its a no brainer. (WBX stud spacings are std on the Pauter/etc big bore heads...) I'm sure this is not an accident.

I also might put Subary 16v heads on it, anyone have one they can spare? (Cracked/Junk is fine, need to check if it can be adapted, the bore centers are the same. I'll glady pay shipping)

Joe on the forums is a VERY helpful fellow, too bad he's cross the continent from you, (Oregon) but OTOH a block doesn't weigh too much...

wellington · Post by **wellington** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 5:16 am

Thanks for the reply. I want to eventually trade out my 2007 type 1 for something SERIOUS in my bug. Looking at all options.

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:43 am

Hi,
Well, not sure what the aftermarket alu type 1 case holds for oil capacity, but the wbx case has s/th like 5 litres IIRC.
Also the maximum stroke possible should be considerably more then the mag type 1 case.
And last, you can purchase an old wbx cheaply when you take your time and have more parts in it then when you buy a new alu type 1 case (which also needs a lot of machining).

Greetings,
Walter