Hey ecdez...and anyone else...

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:28 pm

Did you ever install those bus carbs ecdez? I've got some on the way, I'm going to attempt rebuilding them and try to install them in the now progressive- equipped '73. When I got the car, I got it to fire over and run for a second, but there was gas pouring out of the bottom of the carb. I'm not sure if there is too much fuel pressure, or the carb is shot, but I'm junking the progressive either way after hearing how crappy they work. There is a little square electric Facet pump installed in there now, do I need a regulator?

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:06 am

Usually those little square pumps produce low pressures, something like 2 psi or so...they're OK to replace an SU pump on an MGB, for example, and the MGB's SU carbs are very touchy about supply pressure (1.5-3 psi max). Check the pressure with a gauge, to be sure. I'd bet those Solex bus carbs want to see a similarly low pressure. You can also get a modern low-pressure Carter-type pump, I have one on my MGB. Barney Gaylord's MGA website has a page with some good info on low-pressure aftermarket electric fuel pumps, with part numbers:

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/fuel/fp201.htm

Fuel coming out the bottom?

Usually it's coming out the joint between the air horn and the bowl, if the float's stuck. Is it a Weber? If so, it has jets mounted in little hex plugs on the bottom of the bowl, and one of them may be "unsealed" (no copper sealing washer), or loose. I adapted a Weber progressive from a Fiat 850 for my English Ford back in college, and those little jet plugs leaked until I got new copper washers (cheap at the time...). Sure beat the single barrel Zenith downdraught carbie the Anglia came with.

No personal experience on the suitability of dual barrel downdraft progressive carbs for T4 engines, though I've read what you have. Sounds like a good experiment to try a set of Solex PDSIT's or equivalent in a T4.

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:40 am

Yes, it is a Weber. I couldn't really see where it was coming out, only the aftermath. I only tried it once since I didn't want to burn up the car.

I've got MUCH to learn about carburetors, all of the cars I've owned before were fuel injection.

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:36 pm

Carbs are best when used as intended, in the application for which they were designed. Stray too far from the design airflow curve, and you have to fiddle and mess about. Return to orthodoxy, Herr Krap! Return to Bosch and D-Jetronic injection! You'll sleep better at night

I find the downdraft Webers to be tough to tune right, you've gotta change out main jets on one or both sides, idle jets, emulsion tubes, yadda yadda yadda. I finally got the Anglia right after a month or two of weekends spent cussing at the carb.

Depending on the carb, you may go screaming into the night after mucking about with it all day, trying to get the mixture right. The Mikuni on a Mitsubishi 2.6L is that way (ask me how I know sometime). Solexes can be, too, though the ones seen on most ACVW's appear to be rather simple beasts to me. Sync'ing two carbs is a moderate pain, I just did a tune-up on the MGB today, and that's one of the things you do, set the idle airflow through both carbs. You'll need some form of airflow meter to get the flow through the two carbs matched, and patience. I tried using the rubber-tube-in-the-ear, I never could hear enough difference in the hiss to make it work.

Be it noted that many whine about the SU constant velocity carbies on an MGB, but they're simple to the point of painfulness. No idle circuit, no acceleration pump, just a single jet and moveable needle, and a piston moving up and down. They either work very well, or they work poorly. A real easy carb to overhaul, easy to adjust. Gotta keep the throttle shafts leak-free, though, or you get variable air leaks which throws the carb's delicate vacuum balance out of whack.

I've wondered in the past if a pair of 1.5" SU's from an MGB, with the right jet needle, and a short manifold at each head, might work...but no, D-Jetronic distributes fuel so much better, I'd better not go there! Wake up, smell the coffee

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:41 pm

I fear restoring the fuel injection might be a long a painful road also. Since these Solex's I'm getting came stock T-4 powered bus, I'm hoping they'll be in the realm of working reasonably, but I may end up using them as door stops. Even Ray admitted they are better than the single Weber progressive. I'll have to rely on some advice from people for getting the "plumbing" on these set up correctly, since they have that thing where the LH carb controls the idle for both carbs I recall reading? At least it will be a relatively inexpensive experiment.

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:21 pm

Yeah, at least the designed application is pretty close to what you're putting it on...should be pretty easy. I've only done one Solex, the single barrel downdraught that came on the original of the two Anglias I had (don't ask). It was pretty simple.

Based on my carb experience, I'd recommend stripping them down and a thorough cleaning to start. Cleanliness is crucial in carbs. You'd be amazed what can plug a jet or hang up a float valve. New gaskets and rubber parts (if they're old). Get the appropriate Bus carb setting procedure, and follow it closely.

Good luck! Keep us posted!

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:47 pm

Well, in some places and times Type 4's came with dual carburetors.
Which Anglia bodystyle did you have? I know of the old one with the tall, skinny grille. Then there is the later one with the reverse-angle rear window? I love those older ones. I've seen a few turned into street rods, also a stock one for sale years ago. I think I know where one of the later ones was sitting. There is a very small 'n tall old car that looks sort of like an Anglia that has been sitting in a nearby town since I was a small child. At one point I recall figuring out what it is, but now I have forgotten, I'm thinking it is British though. Maybe you could identify it if I got a picture of it?

There used to be a GLAS Goggomobile that was on a post used as a business sign when I was a kid, but by the time I went back as an adult to try to buy it somehow, the place was gone.

OK, sorry, I went off on a bit of a tangent here...once I get started talking cars it's hard for me to stop...

DeathBus · Post by **DeathBus** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:20 pm

Wasnt I suppossed to send Ecdez some manifolds???

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:31 pm

Were you? Crap, now I can't find that thread, I was just looking at it last night..

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:42 pm

Here is the thread where the carbs were being discussed:

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

It sounded like he had some manifolds...

DeathBus · Post by **DeathBus** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:48 pm

ubercrap wrote:Here is the thread where the carbs were being discussed:

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

It sounded like he had some manifolds...

Maybe Im off the hook?

MGVWfan · Post by **MGVWfan** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:06 am

Goggomobil Herr Uber ?

Now THAT's a rare beast, makes the T4 look like a Chevy in comparison!

To answer your question...my Anglebox(es) were two 1967, 123E, 1198cc, 50 hp Anglia(s) DeLuxe, both white, one with a black stripe, the other with a blue stripe. The right pedal was strictly a volume control for engine noise, nothing else.

0-60 in, say, 2 days. I got blown away by a barn door bus on I-20 once...

But, they never broke that I couldn't fix the problem and be back on my way in an hour or so, even with Girling, Zenith, and Lord Lucas pulling against me. 1975 until 1982 I had one or the other of them.

The old Anglias you refer to were really postwar Prefects. The original 50's 100E Anglia (predecessor to my cars) was kinda dumpy and roundy looking, really homely. It was even slower than mine, with a 998 cc flathead four. Everyone calls the cute ones Anglias, even though they were Prefects.

ecdez · Post by **ecdez** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:05 am

Man... you don't sign on for a few days, and you miss out on all kinds of stuff

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I never did get those carbs hooked up, in fact, I never tried. I've got too many projects and have decided to thin the heard a little so I can focus on the ones I want to keep. So if anybody is looking for some 914's, let me know and I'll make you a killer deal

. Anyway, I just won some Dellorto 36's last week on ebay so I will most likely be putting those on my car. I do still need a set of manifolds, but for the Dells. Actually, now that I think of it, if somebody needs the carbs I was originally going to use, let me know. I have a couple sets of them and could probably make a package deal for everything

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ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:17 am

Ah, I see. Did you get the Dell's from Alfa1750 on ebay (aka the "The Italian guy?"). He has 36's for a good price (in my opinion). Anyway, the carbs I'm getting might be junk, hard telling. What I need are any doodads and widgets that go along with them, like linkage, other "plumbing". I have a line on a linkage, but I'm still not sure what else I need.

BTW, what air cleaners can I use for these?

ecdez · Post by **ecdez** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:13 am

I was going to, but a deal came up in the states so I jumped on it. Alfa wants a little more for his carbs and his shipping is more so I figured I'd roll the dice with these ones. Form what I hear, he has good stuff and service though.

I used to have a filter that I got from one of the shows that had a rubber boot on the bottom of it and a hose clamp to hold it on. You could probably use something like that on your carbs.

Something like this: