Creating Junk

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wildthings
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Creating Junk

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I've got a whole pile of Type 4 engines that I have picked up over the years. I have recently started tearing them down looking for good parts with which to build up a 2.0L for my 411, and another for a '83 Vanagon. It just amazes me how people can take hundreds and hundreds of dollars in good parts and create piles of junk with them.

Case in point 1: 2L engine with low miles out of a burned up van. Virtually every bolt, screw and nut on this engine was loose (or missing). Loose tin had literally cut slots right through the fan housing. Most of the 8mm bolts in the case were loose which had allowed the front and rear main bearing to beat in the case. The bus had burnt up because loose bolts had allowed one of the heat exchangers to fall off and the owner had kept on driving until the exhaust gasses started a fire. This engine netted me a good crank, a good set of rod, one good head, and possibly reusable pistons and jugs.

Case in point 2: 1700 out of my 411. This engine ran fair, but could never be tuned right. It was clean with no oil leaks. It had always made a tinny banging noise, which had slowing gotten better, not worse, over the 12,000 miles or so of my ownership. However the engine locked up while sitting for the couple of months I was out of the country. Every fastener was tight on this engine, the previous mechanic had even locktighted all of the case fasteners. But as soon as I loosened the head bolts I knew some thing was funny, the jugs seemed to flop around in the heads and block. Removing the heads explained it all. The PSM (previous stupid mechanic) had used 2L heads on 1.7L jugs. The jugs couldn't seat fully in the heads and one jug had cut into one of the head over time eventually reducing the piston to head clearance to near zero. The engine had locked up because scale off the piston had fallen into this small space while the car sat giving negative head clearance. The PSM had also put the engine together with two domed pistons and two dished pistons, no wonder it couldn't be tuned right. I got one usable head, a regrindable cam, and a usable case out of this engine.

Case in point 3: 1800 with low miles out of a bus. The main bearings in this engine made a horrible knocking noise that was unaffected by using heavy weight oils or STP. The problem here was obvious when I went to loosen the six large case bolts. There were chisel marks in the nuts, the PSM had apparently not had a 17mm socket so he had tried to tighten the nuts with a hammer and chisel. Everything was good on this engine except the case which had destroyed main bearing bores.

Sadly way too many owners and mechanics needlessly create junk. Aircooled VW can be truely dependable, wonderfully running machines, but way too many owners and PSM's seem to refuse to put things together even close to right and/or do obvious maintenance. :cry:
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ubercrap
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Post by ubercrap »

Wrong heads? Mixed domed and dished pistons? Bolts tightened with a hammer and chisel? :lol: Bwuhahahaha! You just made my night!
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DeathBus
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Post by DeathBus »

I have seen a "VW mechanic" in my area use a srewdriver and a HAMMER to split a Type 1 engine case.

This same "VW mechanic" Uses a drill and some sort of boring tool, to "align bore" his engines.

He also uses a STEAK KNIFE to clean the burrs off the bearing journals after "align boring".

He takes and air hose, blows off the case and MAYBE he blows out the oil gallies.

This same "VW mechanic" will take new carbs out of the boxes without checking jetting, slap them on an engine and try to run it.

He will take used engine parts, PAINT them silver and bolt them to engines.

He will drive out valve guides with an air hammer and a chisel, I have seen him break 2 heads doing this.

He built an engine for a guy's Manx Buggy, before the guy had made it 1 block from the shop it was smoking.

VW's are so simple to work on, Type 1 and Type 4, or so people think. Alot of the people who do repair work on them just dont know what they are doing and/or they dont take their time to do it right.
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Post by MGVWfan »

Silly me! I thought it was only idiots working on Ford V8s and MoPar /6s that did things like that.

On the other hand, even with those horrible defects caused by PSMs, the engines ran, though badly. The ACVW engine design is, in many ways, quite robust. Herr Dr. Ing. Porsche did good work.
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vwbill
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Drive it till it falls apart,lol!

Post by vwbill »

That mismatch one sounds like one of the old fast rebuild places! I have heard of that! I have heard of people using the chisel deal if they couldnt get a wrench or socket in to retighten things,lol! Funny one about the lose stuff! I have seen that many times on many hippy chic run it in the ground vans or add oil all the time instead of replacing the valve cover gaskets or the drain plate or push rod tubes,lol! Some people dont do maintance! Drive it till it breaks they think! Gotta make you worry alittle on the highway sometime,lol.. That's why when you do it yourself you know what you are driving on or at least how bad I can screw it up too!! Bill
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DeathBus
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Post by DeathBus »

These are all reasons why I rebuild my own engines now.......
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