My new mill

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So I figured this should have its own thread in here for anyone else who wants to learn and casue I need to brag/whine somewhere about this thing, and everyone at home has learened to flee the room if I am covered in grease or chips and look excited about something.

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I bought a CNC Taig mill, it is a little desktop unit made in the good ole USA. I am its second owner and am looking to give it the love it deserved. when I got it from the PO (a mechanical engineer) it has over 80 tho of play on the Z axis... and not in the vertical direction either... I have had it a few weeks now and beeen avoiding playing with it too much, but finally found an actual and real need to use it so I r&Red all the ways and gibs. Not too bad a job, goes a lot faster than you would think. squaring up the Z-axis takes longest by far. Althogh tightening the adjustable nuts for the leadscrews is a little touch and go. I think I left them a little too loose, but for now looser is better than tight to wear them out prematurely. Gibs were a LOT easier than expected to do. All this is documented on youtube so I won't go into detail. I am also re-wiring the control box since I think a open to the environment enclosure isn't the best setup even if it is a few feet away from a metal dust spewing machine.

The PC that runs it is an old P4, needs an update or reformat or something. whenever the CPU pegs at 100% whole mill jitters for ~1 second. not a good thing for precesion work! Will probably move over to linuxCNC as I assume that will solve my problem.

The previous owner somehow whent without limit/homeing switches his whole life. No clue how that works. I am not gonna put limit switches on it since it is a dainty machine, hitting the ends is not the end of the world, and pretty unlikely as I will be implementing software limits and homeing switches. My experience with 3d printers turned me onto a very cheap micro switch that has <.1mm repeatability that I will be using as a homing switch. The nice thing about a 3d printer, is I could whip out my X home switch mounts in a few minutes with almost no intervention on my part. Milled parts may be more practical, but once calibrated (calibrating is a months long hell procedure!) a 3d printer can be a very nearly set it and forget it, and "set" is simply press a button.
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I made 4 of those in about an hour, and for a sense of scale those are M3 screws. The T slots are tiny on the sides, M4s are used everywhere else.

Ah well should really get to bed, long day at work tomorrow, will update some more then. A huge thanks to Devestator tho, he has been offering me all kinds of help and support on even the dumbest of questions and I know he will save me from pulling out all my hair in the near future!
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very nice
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only problem with them being tiny, is I now have no idea where they are....
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Also right before my rebuild started, I had my first big crash, shockingly took a chunk out o fthe vice without snapping the bit, and tilted the head over, but more impressed than anything that it was solid enough to survive it. Now that I have crashed it that makes me a real machinest, right?

Now to replace the spindle relay which exploded for no good reason I can divine.
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well.... at least you're making something. I bought an old HF bench top and it's got a bad control switch as best I can tell.... I may just set it up with All new individual Switches for each function (I think it's a 6 contact - 3 position switch)..... Once I get that figgered out, I think the 200 bucks I paid for it will be worthwhile... HF sells their later models for 700 bucks, but this is one of the older ones with both axis chucks..... I'll have to figure out a lot on this thing. Keep posting stuff on this so I can learn.
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Subscribed. I've been looking at those Taig's on ebay for a long time.
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Well my friend has a HF manual mill, and we have been comparing notes. His is definitely heftier and whatnot, but mine is CLEARLY more precise and better put together. I am hoping by filling the 2 main box beams with concrete I can give it a little more rigidity, as it will be seeing steel from time to time, but mostly drilling and tapping holes. Any real CNC work will likely be in ALU and plastics. Gonna take a shot at flycutting a junk head tho! Not sure it will fit in there, but if it does that will be a pretty sweet use for it.

now where the heck did that micro switch go!
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oh and the big VW project planned for this thing is to get my conversion stubs made. A quick fit under the head showed that I can JUUUUUUUST fit a type 2 stub axle under the head to drill it out to 930 bolt pattern. Output flanges I was goign to just buy, but it might actually be easy enough to DIY, plus I figure OG fits better than new castings.
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scott if you need any help finding replacement parts, I do a lot of electronics shopping so I can help you ID anything you might have questions on.

So was helping my dad install some windows, had to trim the bottom flashing down a bit and surprisingly enough, after he embedded one of them in his palm he agreed with me that the mill might be a better tool than the table saw w/ a wood blade in it :roll: He's a great carpenter, but for the love of god keep him away from metal. That stuff was the gummiest aluminium I have ever seen, I sure appreciate lube and am finally accepting the counter-intuitive fact that sometimes faster is better when cutting.

just finished the conversion over to LinuxCNC, getting away from mach3. The mill is being run by a VERY old pc, and windows is kinda just too much for it. And the magic bullet for making old computers usefull again has always been linux in my experience. It runs in Ubuntu which is super easy to use and went together with no fuss. Looks like both outputs on my control board are dead tho! pretty pissed about that, bought the thing as a turn key kit, but for hte price I am not gonna chase the guy down, plus I work with him and its not worth the headache. I bought a second parallel port and will roll my own breakout board, will be my first time designing such a thign! hopefully I don't toast my 10 year old computer with 15bucks worth of new hardware in it, what a loss.... Just gonna opto-isolate a few relays to turn on and off the spindle and soon coolant and call it good. Easier than breaking out the two wires from the current controller which would require a custom cable or some such foolishness, which after the price of connecters is almost more expensive than just throwing another port at it. plus the extra port gets me 15 more IOs, can you say camera and touch off probe?
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You can get opto isolated parallel port break out boards (on Ebay) made exactly for this purpose. Cheap too.
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true, and i may do that, however i found a piece of softwre that takes a board layout and spits out gcode for the mill to mke it, hows a guy supposed to not try that? can never resist diy. learn somethng new everytime. unfortunatly what i usuually learn is the answer to the offhand exclamation "how hard could it be?"
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fusername wrote:"how hard could it be?"
I've been asking this same question for 26 years. Answer varies from day to day.
fusername wrote: A huge thanks to Devestator tho, he has been offering me all kinds of help and support on even the dumbest of questions and I know he will save me from pulling out all my hair in the near future!
Happy to help you keep your hair.
fusername wrote:Now to replace the spindle relay which exploded for no good reason I can divine.
Sometimes too much amperage can ruin them. Try a bigger relay?
SCOTTRODS wrote:I bought an old HF bench top and it's got a bad control switch as best I can tell.... I may just set it up with All new individual Switches for each function (I think it's a 6 contact - 3 position switch)..... Once I get that figgered out, I think the 200 bucks I paid for it will be worthwhile... HF sells their later models for 700 bucks, but this is one of the older ones with both axis chucks..... I'll have to figure out a lot on this thing. Keep posting stuff on this so I can learn.
Is this a "Shopsmith" style machine Scott?
fusername wrote:Gonna take a shot at flycutting a junk head tho! Not sure it will fit in there, but if it does that will be a pretty sweet use for it.
Since you are going to be making a pocket deeper and not "facing" the top of the head, I'd suggest circular interpolation instead of a flycutter. The chatter you'll get with a 3/8 shank flycutter is likely going to be horrible.
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Oh, and Fuser, that aluminum flashing that you cut for your dad was probably a 1000 series that was dead soft for bending. It is a SOB to machine.
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Dev,.... Mine is Harbor freight with two spindles, one Horizontal and one Vertical.... It's probably over 7 years old... I may never get it to work like it should.... BUt I'm gonna try and make it come to life.

I got the original switch and the mounting plate is missing.... other than that all appears to be in place. Some even appears to function as it should.

It may be a few weeks before I can get ot play with it. When I get to it, I'll try and remember to take some pics for you. Don't get excited... it's not terribly pretty.
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SCOTTRODS wrote:Don't get excited... it's not terribly pretty.
Like my former boss used to say: "Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder".
Look kinda like this?:
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