Using paper to study panel making

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Re: Using paper to study panel making

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This guys uses a lot of paper to make complex shapes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8AvJjMXyg
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Jadewombat wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:34 pm This guys uses a lot of paper to make complex shapes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8AvJjMXyg
That example was not what I was talking about.

That is a simple pattern making process that I did quite often as a draftsman. It was the more involved patterns that require shapes that are move complex or fuller than what is shown on the video that I was referring to. He does get involved to a certain extent in moving stuff (I was talking about relief cuts where he was dealing with the paper bunching up for the same thing A slice at the bubble then fold over the other part and tape shut and mark where the two parts were joined then when the paper is laid on the sheet the tape is loosened the cuts finished and the sheet of material is cut. the sheet is then formed into shape by various methods) to get the contour pattern formed in the paper.

Some times shapes were so complicated that "descriptive geometry" (a type of line work that is used to develop aux/correct fit, form and shape (when possible) would not be able to give what was needed (in the case I was thinking of it was the shape of an access door they [the maker of the skin of a engine mount strut] wanted to verify). In this instance the mockup had to be the source of the patterns as there was so many gentle curves and declining distances in several directions that "descript" would not work so a complicated bending pattern had to be made from the mockup. I still don't know how they did it but I think a lot of metal shrinking was involved :wink: :lol: .

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https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ad ... &FORM=IGRE

Here are some pictures of adjustable splines. I had at least one once (I think I had several of them over time) but I lent it out and it never came back.

They are great for duplicating arcs as patterns for both single and multiple arcs.. They hold their shapes well but you have to be a bit careful about bumping things with them when moving from the piece you want to duplicate to the forum you want to use to duplicate to as they can be altered fairly easily.

For what it is worth.

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Lee, are you talking about adjustable "Spines" or splines? Your description says Adjustable contour gauge... but your search link shows nothing much like it... Something like this would be perfection in a lot of cases.
https://www.woodcraft.com/products/wood ... gJOhPD_BwE

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This is what I was talking about.

The bottom pix shows how the tool is made and how it works.

The one you showed might work but I have never used that type.

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Ah... Then you showed actually follows contours AND twists to meet compound curves it appears... The one I shared was strictly curves that are less dimensional... for lack of a better term to describe things. Maybe less compound? Either way. Both are excellent tools to help recreate existing shapes and arrangements.
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You brought up something I hadn't thought about: it will do curves either linear or dimensional but I don't think that it will do both at the same time. That is an interesting question you posed... intended or not. :wink: :lol:

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https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sp ... &FORM=IGRE

Views of splined curve tools.
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As far as curve making this is what and how I used and some of them were bordering on 7'+ long (our drafting tables were 7' long but I remember doing a couple of information only types of drawings that were two mated ~1 meter high by 11' long gridded [10" X 10"] Mylar drawing forms that used "match lines" to join them together to make one long arc shape).
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This is another style of curve I had but the covering got hard and started to fracture as I remember. This one would have allowed both linear and dimensional use when and if required but that was never a use for what I was doing as I would have used "different views" to accommodate the multiple needs. Again, another tool that may have disappeared but I haven't looked at my old tools box for years now.

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Here's a video of a panel beater using the pattern that I think has been talked about. All of this Guys videos are really good. If you're going to watch one person's videos that go beyond the basics, watch his.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTR6QyNY9Q
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A friend of mine suggested I watch 'Cold War Motors' for metal working help. It's more of a drama because usually it does not show all of the work done. He does go over what's in his head which is good to know what someone that can do that kind of work is thinking. This video is 1 hour long but he does show how he used paper patterns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhByzRU ... H&index=17

If you want to vegetate and maybe learn how to restore a car, it's worth a watch.

Edit: Here's one of their better videos that shows how to make a paper pattern.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL3n ... hByzRUpEyU
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