Progress on the Nomad...

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raygreenwood wrote:"0".....I need a few parts out there for samples :wink: . My brother had the ultimate suggestion though the other day. He looked at the centerlink while I was bead blasting it....and said....why don't you just make a new one. He proceeded to show me how the racers in the other part of the shop make theirs. A piece of 1" bar stock, thread both ends, drill the two tapered bores, simply order the two taper pins and two thread on taper pin sockets. Neat....but...its about $100 worth of parts, and unlike other cars, this centerlink exists in a very narrow space. The ends agle up, and I would have to find a way to angle up the ends or else scrape on the sub frame. But....I'm thinking of ways...... :wink: Ray
Wehehelll, I just happen to have a few parts... 8) [/i]
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Latest progress...got underneath last night and cleaned the area above the transmission (above the Eber) to see if it needed to be repainted. So far, no rust there. I'm finishing the prep there tonight, and moving to prep the engine bay, which WILL need to be repainted (it's a bit rusty). I'll post pics on The Samba gallery when I get them.
Lane
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Latest...
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Getting finished removing rust and old paint from the engine bay and area underneath tonight. It's too humid to paint today, though. Crazy Houston weather.
Lane
73 VW 412 (the Nomad, dropped valve seat land now, argh!)
67 MGB (Abingdon's Finest)
76 Plymouth Duster /6 (runs like a top)
99 New Beetle 2.0 (never gives any trouble)
04 Golf TDI (45 MPG)
09 JSW (love it, love it, love it!)
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Lane
73 VW 412 (the Nomad, dropped valve seat land now, argh!)
67 MGB (Abingdon's Finest)
76 Plymouth Duster /6 (runs like a top)
99 New Beetle 2.0 (never gives any trouble)
04 Golf TDI (45 MPG)
09 JSW (love it, love it, love it!)
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Cool, looks good. How are stripping/prepping?
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Rotary wire brush, Stoddard solvent, prep-sol, and LOTS of pain. :x
Lane
73 VW 412 (the Nomad, dropped valve seat land now, argh!)
67 MGB (Abingdon's Finest)
76 Plymouth Duster /6 (runs like a top)
99 New Beetle 2.0 (never gives any trouble)
04 Golf TDI (45 MPG)
09 JSW (love it, love it, love it!)
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OK, I have no idea what Stoddard solvent or prep-sol are. :lol:

Anyway, I bet this is the car that you looked at before...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=148766
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Nice work Lane!

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Damn, you did a great job on that area! So, how long before you could feel or open your hand after doing that job! I think I have a cramp from just looking at the pics,lol! Hey, in the original pics it looks like rust but looks totally clean after; Was that just a rust staining or did you do such a great job you cant tell any more? So are you going to prime it or undercoat or bedliner it or paint? The original stuff seems like a kinda of rubber? Thanks for the pics, bill
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On the pain issue...first ibuprofen, then naproxen sodium, then Ron Zacapa Centenario followed by a G&T :shock:

I'm kidding on the G&T :)

The rust-appearing stuff was, yea verily, rust. It was a present from the rats that made their home in the engine bay for a few years, thanks to the PO. There's some light pitting left after heavy wire brushing, but no corrosion, it's ready for priming and painting.

I'm researching the heat resistance of Dupli-Color Self-etching Primer (in a rattle-can), I've used it before on other projects and it really lays down a good base for the topcoat, and it's not too pricey. On top of that, I've decided to use Dupli-Color New Ford Gray engine enamel, for heat resistance. There's a thread on this forum about engine bay paint in which Dr. Ray explains why the Marathon Blue VW sprayed in there is not sort of an electric green. No connection to the company, just that the cans are easy to get at my FLAPS, and cheap.

I concluded I needed to use heat-resistant paint after that discussion. It'd be great to custom-mix a high temp color like the original, but it's the engine bay, so I'm mainly interested in something that'll last, not change color, not require a sprayer and 5hp compressor, and not cost an arm and a leg...engine enamel works for me. New Ford Gray is a nice neutral gray, and won't look out of place in my 412, I think. I'd considered black, but it'd make the engine bay look like a black hole, hard to see stuff in there.

Note that the seam sealer (that rubbery stuff) is gone...it failed around the edges in spots, and allowed rat pee up in there, so I chased the rust and decided the seam sealer had to go. I'm looking into a heat-resistant paintable replacement, I'm thinking maybe some sensor-safe (non-corrosive) high temp RTV (silicone rubber sealant) might work. I'm testing a sample plate in the oven, we'll see how it holds up after painting.

I thought of using bedliner, but the 250 deg F temps up in there kinda made me worry about it a bit.

Herr Uber...
Stoddard solvent = paint thinner
Prep-sol = wax and grease remover
Lane
73 VW 412 (the Nomad, dropped valve seat land now, argh!)
67 MGB (Abingdon's Finest)
76 Plymouth Duster /6 (runs like a top)
99 New Beetle 2.0 (never gives any trouble)
04 Golf TDI (45 MPG)
09 JSW (love it, love it, love it!)
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Latest from tonight...the engine bay and under car area near it are stripped. I got to the point where the rotary wire brushes and sanding discs couldn't reach some of the corrosion, and some was too tenacious for the wire brush. I finally broke down and bought a small sandblaster. It took 3-4 hours, but I finished the tough spots. Boy, there's media all over the garage :x , but the hard part's over! :D The media won't be too tough to clean up from the garage, but I'll bet I'll be finding it in places on the Nomad for months. Next, cleaning the grit out, a final wipe with solvent, seam sealing, priming, and painting (if the humidity permits).

The engine tin will get blasted, too. I tested it out tonight, and the blaster followed by the rotary wire brush does a great job on the nasties bits of the engine tin.
Lane
73 VW 412 (the Nomad, dropped valve seat land now, argh!)
67 MGB (Abingdon's Finest)
76 Plymouth Duster /6 (runs like a top)
99 New Beetle 2.0 (never gives any trouble)
04 Golf TDI (45 MPG)
09 JSW (love it, love it, love it!)
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Work It!!

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Sounds like you're doing a great job on the nomad! Hey, What kinda blaster did you get? What kinda media were you using? I've seen those ones at The Home Depot that have a hopper kinda one peice formed plastic case bucket. My doors will be needing a lot of the stripping thing too! Any more pics coming? Thanks for letting us in on the work progress! Bill
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It's a 50-pound-hopper type from Sears Hardware. They dropped the price to something reasonable finally, and it has a small orifice (replaceable) so I could use it with my 1.5 hp compressor. I used fine silica media (sand) and recycled it 3-4 times over the course of the evening. When I do the engine tin, I'll waste the media in the back yard, since I need some sand to build up a low spot there anyway.
Lane
73 VW 412 (the Nomad, dropped valve seat land now, argh!)
67 MGB (Abingdon's Finest)
76 Plymouth Duster /6 (runs like a top)
99 New Beetle 2.0 (never gives any trouble)
04 Golf TDI (45 MPG)
09 JSW (love it, love it, love it!)
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thanks again for the info!

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Thanks for all the info! Looks like I have a excuse to go to the tool area at Sears! Yeah!! LOL! GRunt GRunt snort snort,lol! Like being able to play in a metal shop or paint shop! Dreamin Is goooood! lol!
So, how much lose of media did you have? Did you put a tarp down to gather it back up and how do you filter out the crud? Did you buy new tips or do they last pretty long? What PSI did you actually run at the surface? Any pitting? thx, bill
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Good questions bill...same ones I have. Ray
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2 things,

That is the exact same color 412 I have.

I have a friend who did his Beetle pan almost exactly the same way, he used a sand blasting gun and sand to do his frame, worked great, plus we had a GREAT beach to hang out and drink beer at after he was done! :shock:
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