Nice pictures on wikimedia.org

[4-eleven]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... Salzgitter

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... _Wolfsburg

[ubercrap]

Awesome pics!

[412s2]

Don’t forget the Hannover plant where they made the engines!

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... rk_Hanover

Any idea what these engines are going in??



It looks like VW-Porsche 914 tinware and throttle valve assembly, but silencer is sitting under the fan housing

[Lars S]

Intresting pictures, many thanks!

Yes, the Hannover picture shows a strange engine. It has the common heat exchangers and the exhaust leaving at the fan side, the 914 has special heat exchangers and exhaust at the fly wheel side so I guess it is a bus engine...but they did not have that type of tin over the muffler...or did they...

Also intresting to see the debated code numbers painted in white on the tin, it appears that there are numbers on both sides of the engines which is wery uncommon.
The real reason for the numbers and the secret of the code system still seems to be at bit unclear.


/Lars S

[raygreenwood]

Interesting. I have seen that sheet metal just once....but I cannot be sure where....and it never had a 2.0 TB like that. I seem to think it may have been sheet metal from perhaps the earliest model vanagon. The coil seems to be in a slightly odd place as well for any of the 411/412's. It does appear to have a D-jet style ECU plug in that second engine. Ray

[wildthings]

My guess is that they are FI'd industrial engines. Compare the tin with what is shown in the photos in this thread.

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic ... 1&t=122273

The exhaust looks newer than the 1800cc #127 engine. I wonder if this is a 2.0L version?

[vwbill]

Wow, that engine is cool! Do you think the cranks were the same or beefer? I read one comment the the pistons on his 1.8 were dished. So do you think over all the engines was made to be a high rev or a low rev setup? I would think the domed 411/412 setup would be more of a high rev. output engine. Great pics and links guys!!! Thx, bill,jr.

[tuna]

Could these be '76 912E 2.0L engines?

[412s2]

I am sure these engines are VW-Porsche 914 2 litre spec (look at the positions of the coil, spark plug leads, throttle valve & mount for the air filter housing), the tinware is exactly like the tinware for the 914, with holes for the blower hoses to pass through, I also think VW were more likely to put a single carburettor on an industrial engine than electronic multipoint fuel injection. The 914 didn’t come with that exhaust system however, so I reckon they are either for prototype Porsche 912Es (these pictures are dated 1973) or some kind of production line error. I can just imagine it...

‘Sorry guys!!! The management decided not to build the 2 litre 412!!! Take those exhausts back off again!!’

[raygreenwood]

Hey...did anyone notice the very strange sedan on the left in this picture?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... towerk.jpg
It looks somewhat different. 412 front angles, 411 badge and looks a bit like the 100Ls Audi.

And.....this can only be described as a 412 notchback

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... towerk.jpg

Here it is again....look closely and notice the different door handle recesses and the rear trunk lid. But it appears to have a 412 front end style. It looks like a BMW 3.0 CSI
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... towerk.jpg

Ah...that odd car is a K70 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_K70

and these must be their engines.

Ray

[412s2]

Hi Ray!

That's a VW K70, you can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K70

A sophisticated car in its day, I think I remember reading somewhere that VW only made about 33DM on each one made!

[raygreenwood]

Yes, thank you! After digging through the pictures....I found these of what are obviously K-70 engines http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... towerk.jpg

Thanks! Ray

[raygreenwood]

Notice what kind of bonnets these are? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... towerk.jpg Ray

[ubercrap]

There was a k70 for sale on vwvortex somewhere on the east coast a few years ago. As best I can remember, it was complete and had been parked for decades. It looked pretty pristine and I don't even think anyone knew how it got here, exactly, but it was only $500! Of course I didn't have any resources at all (still don't) but I would love to have gotten it just to admire sitting in the garage (twice as rare as a Type 4 and never imported here- imagine trying to find parts!).

[Lars S]

I had the pleasure of driving a K70 in the late '70s - it was a wonderful car. I remember the 8 small valve covers instead of one big and the disc brakes at the gearbox and not at the front wheels. The car was elected as car of the year over here which was fair since it really showed something new, many ideas was taken from the older brother RO80 which was even more ahead of its time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_Ro_80. (Imagine that the design of the RO80 was done in the early '60's and it looks more modern than many '80s cars!)

The K70 was wery well put together, high finish, lots of room, a wery dynamic engine. It shared some minor components with the 412 in the interior.
Still it had to leave in '75 - K70 it did not share anything with the new Audi/VW models Passat, Golf etc was one of the reasons, another was that it had wery much the same size as the Audi 100 and the Passat.


/Lars S