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mexican made bug

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 6:26 am
by bill naylor
I have purchased a Mexican Bug in a barn in lower Michigan. My research on the vehicle tells me it is one of only 138 of it's type which were imported into the U.S. by a now defunct company named Bug Motors. I am interested in finding it's worth. My vehicle is one of the vehicles mentioned in : NTSA-98-3812 ; notice 1. Vehicle has been legaly titled and lisenced. I would appreciate any input on this subject

Re: mexican made bug

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 7:14 pm
by Marc
Originally Looking Glass Motors. The cars did not meet all applicable US Federal standards, Bug Motors applied for an exemption but I don't think they ever got it, so I'm not sure your car is truly 100% legal by all NHTSA and EPA regulations. If it's titled using the original Mexican VIN, that wouldn't be on the list of cars approved for import and theoretically it could be found out just by a computer search of state records...not much to worry about, the government doesn't seem to be interested in actively searching out these cars which slipped through the cracks ~20 years ago.
The text of their exemption application to NHTSA can be found here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=514137 ...skimming over it, looks like a couple of the issues (restraint system and 3rd brakelamp) would be fairly trivial to deal with, but the Mexi-Bugs didn't have side impact reinforcement beams in the doors (all US-market Beetles got those starting with the `74 model year) and I can't envision how they could be added without the need for repainting the doors - might be simpler to just hang some good-used `74-up doors from a US-market car and paint those.
Bug Motors tried to evade emissions requirements by representing the cars as used 1973 models (pre-EGR carbureted engine), but California's CARB wasn't buying that. Since they were a California-based business that added to their legal woes.
The swingaxle rear suspension made sense for pounding along unimproved roads in Mexico, but compared to the IRS setup which all US cars had by `69 it's rather crude handling-wise. Essentially the car drives like a `68 Bug with a dualport engine (I believe they all also had disc front brakes) but the metal/interior/etc. is ~20 years fresher than the last Beetles sold in the US.
I can only hazard a guess as to its value, I don't think they have any special following among collectors though. Bruce2 has brought some Mexi-Beetles into Canada and speaks well of their general quality; the newest one I've ever had the opportunity to examine closely was an `83 and I was underwhelmed, it was pretty austere compared to the Export versions we received here...perhaps in the same range as a clean/low-miles `77 US Beetle?

Another strategy used back then was to strip a new Mexi-Beetle and use all of its new parts on a refurbished used US-titled pan. Some outfits ran afoul of the law doing that, too (most notably for short-cutting and simply welding in the section of tunnel with the VIN on it, a huge no-no and a federal felony). TomB and DrDarby at Volkswebbin.net each own a couple of ones done with a pan swap. http://www.volkswebbin.net/topic/81190/ ... co-beetle/
Note in particular DavidH's comments halfway down the page.

Re: mexican made bug

Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 6:09 pm
by bill naylor
my vw has a mdot vin# on door jam plus bug motors nameplate under back seat on tunnel with same vin.. Motor is definitely a TDI also. Odometer shows 9900 original miles Mint condition

Re: mexican made bug

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:55 pm
by bill naylor
I have been posting on several forums . I misspoke , is not a TDI. Engine code is ACD. I will be listing it for sale soon with pictures

Re: mexican made bug

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:19 pm
by Marc
I dunno what Bug Motors did to meet 49-state emissions regs. I have seen one Mexi-Beetle that still had the original Mexican FI system but the exhaust was altered to incorporate a catalytic converter (sacrificing one heater box in the process).
The Mexican FI is "Digifant" (not the L-Jetronic used on `75-up US-market Bugs) which looks like this: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=519841

Re: mexican made bug

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 5:08 am
by Slow 1200
ACD engines came with cat converters as stock, this is what they look like:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=124802

http://www.1600i.de/1600i-mechanik/ausp ... spuff.html