Probably the dumbest turbo, EFI, bus engine EVER.

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Probably the dumbest turbo, EFI, bus engine EVER.

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Title says it all. :lol:

I'm helping a buddy build an engine for his 66 bus.

Design Criteria:
1. Budget friendly but ok to spend dollars where it makes sense.
2. Be visually interesting. Something you just do NOT see in a bus engine compartment.
3. Be able to move around a slammed 66 bus running IRS rear suspension.
4. Good drivability and street manners.

My buddy found a CHEAP, non-running, but complete 1800 from a Porsche 914, but no intake (has 40mm webers). It was absolutely caked in grease and dirt and had probably overheated a good bit when it had last run. But it had ALL the tins and such.

We pulled it down and sent the heads to EMW for a full freshen up. Turned out one was cracked in the exhaust port and wasn't worth fixing. The EMW folks found a good core and got the pair of heads freshened up with all new stainless valves and heavy duty springs and hardware.

We had planned on using the original pistons and cylinders but they were crap so a set of 96mm slip-ins were ordered.
Crank and rods are stock 1800 and flywheel is a 200mm conversion flywheel from EMW.

Cam is a CB performance 2202 "Street Power" with matching lifters donated by a buddy who's into Type 4 upright engines.

Exhaust system is built from EMW 1-1/2" heater box replacements but with thicker flanges installed. The rest of the header was built using mandrel bends and collector I had lying around the shop. All flanges were cut on our CrossFire-Pro CNC plasma table.

Induction started with a highly modified progressive intake. It's had a larger 4 barrel flange welded on and extensive welding and shaping done to it. It's probably going to get more before we're done. Runners were enlarged where the meet the cast aluminum plenum. Instead of slipping INSIDE the casting they now butt-up flush. Then along the length they tapper down as they flow to the intake valves. This will allow porting inside the plenum for much improved airflow.

Topping off the manifold is a FiTech 600 EFI unit. This is actually a normally aspirated however we will be loading "Power Adder" software to it to do what we need. Feeding the Fitech is a TD04 turbo from a very crashed Subaru WRX, courtesy of my cousin. This turbo will be well sized for throttle response and make plenty of power. I don't see us running more than 10-12 lbs boost.

The idea is for the header and turbo to be just kinda 'in your face' like so many turbo bugs and bajas do. In this config there will be no engine lid obviously. Interestingly enough, we WILL be installing side scoops onto the sides of the bus. The logic is to bring as much fresh air to the engine compartment as possible (logically) even though there is no rear lid. The idea is to have as much free air as a baja bug. If the engine shows signs of running warm or hot, then we'll resort to header wrap or possible some other thermal management options.

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I think I will use this topic to cover the long block build, cooling tins and such. I think for the turbo specific items, fabrication and tuning, I will open a separate topic in the Forced Induction Forum.
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Sweet!
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Looks tough.
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Nice!
Have you test-fitted it into the Bus to be sure it fits?
Sure looks big!
Or does it all hang out the back..? 8-)
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He'll have people tail-gating just to get a better look. :-D

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If it works it ain't dumb. :wink: Love it hanging out the back fer god and grandma to see haha. Any reason other than it looks cool you coweld in the internal waste gate flange when you have an external gate. Dig how you mimicked the waste gate dump and turbo dump Nice touch.
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Clatter wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:14 pm Nice!
Have you test-fitted it into the Bus to be sure it fits?
Sure looks big!
Or does it all hang out the back..? 8-)
It'll be run with no decklid and turbo stuff hanging out back in the breeze. We may even fab up a rear "cage" like the engine cages seen on baja bugs.
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terryly wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:29 pm Any reason other than it looks cool you coweld in the internal waste gate flange when you have an external gate. Dig how you mimicked the waste gate dump and turbo dump Nice touch.
I did that so an unmodified, out of the box replacement turbo can be installed at any point. If I had removed the internal "flapper" and gone with a flat plate design, any replacement would require the same mod. And thanks on the dump pipes. I wanted to have some symmetry.
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Very cool! Looks like a lot of fun. What IRS conversion are you guys going with?
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Chip Birks wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:07 am Very cool! Looks like a lot of fun. What IRS conversion are you guys going with?
A local guy made the conversion kit parts and my buddy installed it himself.
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Lo Cash John wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:16 am
Chip Birks wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:07 am Very cool! Looks like a lot of fun. What IRS conversion are you guys going with?
A local guy made the conversion kit parts and my buddy installed it himself.
Nice. I picked up a conversion from Type-E Motorsports. Very nice setup. Does his use bug arms or something custom?
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Chip Birks wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:41 am
Lo Cash John wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:16 am
Chip Birks wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:07 am Very cool! Looks like a lot of fun. What IRS conversion are you guys going with?
A local guy made the conversion kit parts and my buddy installed it himself.
Nice. I picked up a conversion from Type-E Motorsports. Very nice setup. Does his use bug arms or something custom?
Uses bug trailing arms.
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Well time sure flies when you're having fun... Or overworked, have to many projects, have no life and spread yourself to thin.... :lol:


So for the last few weeks we've been making headway on the dumbest bus motor ever. I'm still in the mock-up and "figure out" stage but nearly done with all of that. Engine tins have been fit and modified for this application. Most plumbing is made and down to the small things in all the custom work. I'll post pics and details below.
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The center plenum started life as a typical Weber progressive manifold but then it got a TON of TIG welding. Here is a quick pic for now and I will include more details in the next week as it gets a LOT more work to make it flow.

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Here you can see the work needed to fit the large diameter MSD distributor. I may need to give it just a tiny bit more room but we'll see.


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