2276 Draw through 'glass buggy. It's finally happening!

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2276 Draw through 'glass buggy. It's finally happening!

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Come on in and pull up a chair. Lemme tell you about a guy with addiction problems his whole life! :lol:

For starters... I've never met a HP that I didn't like, and like most drugs... more is better! Am I right?

There's some folks who are of the opinion that a 1600 in a glass buggy is plenty. That's all you need... See above comments... that's not me. I have built a very fun fairly quick 'glass buggy with the usual "go-fast" goodies

It's an adult go-kart inspired street buggy


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I've plugged in the 2276 in NA configuration

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And I just struck a deal for, what I believe is, a Car Craft draw through turbo kit! :D
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This will be a long term project, as the motor only has 750ish miles on it, but I wanted to share my excitement with y'all!
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Shiny rims... good start.

Is this going to be street only or some off-roading.

My glass buggy, similar to yours, is for the sand and the one I am building is sand only but it is a hot rod (T touring-style) of glass buggy.

Lee
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Mileage on a motor has no bearing on putting a turbo on it.....I've boosted engines with less than 6 miles on them.....It's a great way to break them in I feel.
Stripped66 wrote:The point wasn't to argue air temps with the current world record holder, but to dispel the claim that the K03 is wrapped up at 150 HP. It's not.
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Awesome!

Welcome to the turbotub club!

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Clonebug wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:53 pm Mileage on a motor has no bearing on putting a turbo on it.....I've boosted engines with less than 6 miles on them.....It's a great way to break them in I feel.
The mileage is low, because it didn't get out as often as I would have liked this past season. This winter, some aesthetics are on the list IE: powder coating the roll bar, and a safety issue... without any kind of floor covering, my Mrs. slipped getting into/out of the buggy. :( Can't have that happen again. :oops:

Next season, will be driving & enjoying as normally aspirated. Next winter build the turbo up for use... that's the plan, anyways.
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rubenski wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:00 am Awesome!

Welcome to the turbotub club!

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Thank you SIr! Looking forward to it :lol:
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On the NA motor, ignition is handled by CB's MagnaSpark II distributor and coil. Based on my research, I will be upgrading to an MSD 6Al-2 programmable box and Blaster coil and an MSD map sensor to communicate with the 6AL. Please advise if I have made a giant faux pax in choosing my ignition components... except @clonebug. :D I'm not ready for FI, Mega Squirt or that level yet. Still trying to do this "old school"

The fuel system is where I'm going to ask for guidance or advice :oops: electrician by trade... not a plumber! :lol:
I'm currently using a Carter fuel pump that maxes out at 3 PSIG. I'm expecting that I'll need more PSI than that, but as it'll be "draw through" I don't expect to need 20 or 30 PSIG. Maybe 30 regulated down to 3 and boost reference the regulator?
Draw through guys... How did you do it?

Be safe!
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If you don't have them already then look into getting Kaffer bars to help support the trans mount (engine and trans) from flexing up and down and twisting.

Has the pan, other than the cage addition, had any upgrading to give more support than the cage can. Without the help of the stock body there is a lot of loading going to be delt with by the main pan tunnel. Also look into the supporting of the front suspension beam if not done already.

Street use can be as hard on a vehicle than the obvious other uses of the vehicle.

Lee
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Good afternoon Lee,
It does, in fact, have a kafer bar AND a mid mount. The pan is reinforced in the pocket around the perimeter with 1 " pipe.
I have a pair of beam supports that tie to the pan, but haven't attached them to date

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I am playing with something similar on my black buggy. It will be running a Mercury Bobcat V-6 tied to a 6 rib VW bus tranny.

There will be a lot of weight in the rear of the stock length VW pan but one of the things bothering me is my seeing so many of the older rails and Manx style buggies with the upper shock mount broken off.
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This is one of the options I am currently looking at and arguing with myself over.

Part of the argument I am having with myself is what can happen with the loading on the trans mount (the spot-welded seams are already welded re-welded.

If you sit in a chair with a dinner table dish in your hands (like a steering wheel) you get certain effects with one of them bothering me (one of the reasons for the crossbeam). If you turn the dish like the engine would torque loading to the mounts, that isn't too bad (compared to the last problem coming up). The raising and lowering the dish like bouncing around which is normal even on the street but it too loads on the trans mount's arms.

It is what happens when, say, you go around a corner hard and the engine (mass) wants to travel to the side which makes that mount arm make a long push on the left and the arm on the right acts shorter and pulls (I hope I explained this correctly) on the trans mount. The question is: is this really happening and what affect (if any) is/can happen.

When I see "toys" stopped (on the dunes or in camp) when broken I look at the effects and once-in-a-while I see ????! What caused it other than what I was told happened but not what all caused that affect.

This is the kind of thing that often slows down builds.

Lee
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I got thinking about the spotwelded flanges on the trans mounts and finally remembered a discussion on joining flanges like VW did on the trans mounts and the reason for why this was done... they not only join the two sections of the mounts together but act as stiffening flanges also.

I was fairly new to engineering as a draftsman and a checker of other's work. This discussion between several types of design engineers which also included stress engineers. The timeline was about this subject was sometime in late in the 1960's if I remember correctly.

(this line changed) The transmission was supposed to be a controlling factor but then when the Bug was designed back in the '40s a lot of things we do now were not considered... AutoBond use was the main design criteria not racing and other abusive uses.

Lee
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what carb u gonna use for this ? and i'll tell ya what Fuel pump ya need,lol
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Mike,
I was hoping you'd chime in! The package came with a 45 DCOE and I'm hoping to use that, until/unless it's completely unusable, in which case I'll roll over to a Holley 4 bbl

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It will work, but the holleys have better street manors, I'll try and check on you, and help all i can, read all ya can about this $hit :lol:
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Alright guys... it's time for a favor. I have tried & tried... sadly, to no avail, to understand turbo sizing. :oops: and I just don't get it.


I have tried to reach out to shag55 at SL racing, and had no luck yet. Maybe my emails go to his junk folder :lol:

Glass buggy
2276 built on AS21 case
W-125 w/ GB 1.25:1 rockers
Mahle forged pistons
CB 4340 crank
CB H beam rods
deep sump
44 HPMX Draw through 45 DCOE going in w/turbo
EMPI GTV 2 STG II wedge ports
CB Magna spark

Help me pick a turbo... again! Sorry guys

It's just a Sunday driver. Might see the race track from time to time. 250-300 HP would be great. I would like to have to spool it up a bit to get onto boost and not be right on the verge of melting down running down the freeway.

Whaddya think? T3/T4 of some sort/size? T04? 3071? 3076? It all gets so confusing... my head is spinning! :cry:
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